Joseph David Helt was a teenager from New York who disappeared on 01/16/87 while out late at night with 3 acquaintances. To date, no trace of Joe has ever been found.

Joe was just 17 years old. It was on Friday, January 16, 1987 and just another typical Friday night. Like so many Fridays before, Joe and many other teenagers from Ellenville, NY were going up to the usual party spot, the old Mount Cathalia ski lodge. It was in Cragsmoor, just 5 miles outside of Ellenville. The ski lodge had been long ago abandoned, having been partially burned in the 1970’s. But the building itself remained intact and the area kids built a huge fire pit inside of the building and used it as a party spot.

So Joe went up to Mount Cathalia on Jan. 16, 1987 as he had so many other times. Many classmates were there that night. He hung out for a while, spent time with different people and at one point he approached his best friend, Armando Rodriguez, for a ride home. Armando, unfortunately, had to turn Joe down as he had driven up in a borrowed pick up truck and didn’t have anymore room in the truck that night as several others were already getting a ride with him. Looking back, Armando says that Joe was extremely nervous and almost seemed desperate to get a ride with him.

Joe then got into a car belonging to John LaForge, a 21 year old who often hung around with the younger kids. Along with them that night were Wade Marks, 17, and Kelly Diaz, 16. As Joe left the party, that was the last time any of his friends would see him again.

According to the Marks, Diaz and LaForge, they claim that they went for a ride down a road not far from the party called Sam’s Point Road. They claim that the car got stuck in a ditch and that after several failed attempts to get the car out, Joe got upset and left the car to walk the 5+ miles back to Ellenville. By this time it was around 3am in the middle of January. 20 minutes later, Marks and Diaz left to walk the 2+ miles to Marks house (which was not far from the original party at Mt. Cathalia in Cragsmoor) and 10 minutes later LaForge left to walk the 2+ miles to his house which was also there in Cragsmoor.

On January 17th when Joe failed to show up for his shift at the Napanoch Auction Barn in Napanoch, his boss, Vic, called his mother, Lee Ann. Lee Ann checked around for Joe and when it became apparent that Joe was nowhere to be found, she contacted Ellenville Police. The police and rescue workers soon scoured the Cragsmoor area looking for Joe.

Unfortunately, as the rescue workers made it up to the mountain a major snow storm was moving into the area. Over the next several days, over 2 feet of snow fell which hampered the search. Rescue workers worked through the storm for 6 days searching for any trace of Joe but nothing was ever found. They called off the search after 6 days saying that if Joe was up there on the mountain, there was no way he could possibly survive. Search teams did go back up on the mountain in the spring after the snow melted and the ground thawed, but no trace of Joe was ever found.

Marks, Diaz and LaForge say that the last time they saw Joe he was walking away from them when the car got stuck in the ditch. That was 24 years ago and Joe’s case has gone cold.

Over the years many rumors and thoughts have run through the town though nothing has ever been proven one way or the other. People have pointed toward the three acquaintances who were with him that night, but no evidence has been found yet. In October 2010 Joe’s case was assigned to a State Police Detective, Thomas Fortuna, and a missing persons flyer was put together. It was at that time, 23 years after Joe disappeared that he was first registered with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Joe’s case was added to the NYS Police Missing Person’s site in April 2011. Why he was never added to these sites earlier remains a mystery.

In November 2010 several Ellenville High School classmates began to look into Joe’s case and when they realized that it was assigned to a new detective and it being reviewed, they decided to start raising awareness for Joe. A facebook page was created and a campaign was on to gain media attention for Joe’s case.

On January 16, 2011, the 24th anniversary of Joe’s disappearance, a candlelight vigil was held in Joe’s honor. Approximately 50-60 people attended. After working hard to gain media attention, there has been some local area media attention as well as national coverage on Joe’s disappearance but nothing ever came about and Joe’s case remains unsolved.

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2012 article update regarding Joe’s disappearance, Ellenville, NY: Shocking Missing Joe Helt Case: Joe Helt was killed in 1987 during a fight over marijuana, according to a former high school classmate. Shari Schwartz, now 43, said two classmates who were with Helt the night of his Jan. 16 disappearance essentially confessed to her days later.

Helt supposedly left three friends after hours of partying in an abandoned Shawangunk Ridge ski resort to walk back to Ellenville. Helt never made it. “Joe and (the friend) got in a fight over weed and (the friend) pushed him off the mountain,” said Schwartz, who sat behind Helt in class and developed a secret handshake with him.

Schwartz overheard two classmates discussing Helt’s disappearance during class on Jan. 21. Schwartz said she approached them and asked when Helt was coming back. “He’s not. Joe’s dead,” one reportedly told Schwartz. The other then “told him to shut the (expletive) up and pulled him out of the room,” Schwartz recalls.

Schwartz promptly reportedly the conversation to the Ellenville High School principal, but she said the information never made its way into police files. “It was brushed under the rug,” Schwartz said.

In May 2012, the “Justice for Joe” Facebook group, started by friends and family, asked anybody with information on Helt to come forward. “I never forgot about Joe,” Schwartz said. “It was time.” She contacted group administrators, who put her in touch with state police. She gave a statement in mid-June to the lead investigator and appeared Aug. 2 on CBS New York.

“Finally, after all these years, somebody has come forward (with information),” said Bob Rahn, an ex-NYPD homicide detective assisting the family. Schwartz said she’d undergo a lie detector test, but police haven’t taken up the offer. Police say Schwartz’s statement is “a lead,” but not reason to change the classification from a missing-persons case. “There has been no evidence of any criminal activity,” Capt. Joseph Tripodo said. Since the CBS segment aired, friends say, more than one witness has approached Facebook page leaders with information. Schwartz said others have shared stories similar to hers over email. But they weren’t turned into police depositions. “Somebody’s got to crack,” Schwartz said. “At some point, something has to give.”

 
Update posted 09/04/12 – Old Face Lies & Theories vs the Truth Gina says: These are all excellent scenarios and completely plausible We don’t know for sure what happened to Joe after he left the party that night. We are searching for the truth. Clues keep coming in and we’re following them as they do. We’ve already found inconsistencies in the story told by the three with regard to statements printed in original articles in the days after Joe’s disappearance. Joe wasn’t discovered to be missing until after 5pm on Jan.17th when he failed to show up for work. His boss called his mother at that point and after his mother called around looking for him she realized that he was nowhere to be found. However, John LaForge is quoted in the Times Herald Record on the 20th o Jan. (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139401449480497) saying that Wade Marks called him at 3:30pm to say that Joe was missing….almost TWO FULL HOURS BEFORE Joe was discovered to be missing! This statement contradicts their statements given previously. This is just one of many clues that are coming forward. So we’re getting there…one clue at a time.Kelly says: Wade and I called Joe’s mom at 7am in the morning asking her if Joe was home cause he left us and wasn’t at Wade’s house. So she told us that she would call in a while and see if Joe was at work or with Vic. So either she called back or we called back by noon and she said he wasn’t at work, that is when we all knew he was missing. So if, Wade did call J.P by 3:30pm we have talked with Joe’s mom by then and she told us he was missing and not at work. So lets get that straight and out the way. There is nothing inconsistant about our story, don’t you think the cops would have caught and question that also. How come you think you are smarter than the police!?!?!

Gina says: SEVERAL OTHER DRUG RELATED MURDERS WERE COMMITTED IN CRAGSMOOR DURING THOSE SAME YEARS INTO 90′S, INCLUDING ONE INVOLVING ANOTHER PERSON NAMED WALTER DIAZ. COULD THIS PERSON BE RELATED TO KELLY DIAZ?

Kelly says: No relation what so ever, same last name, but no relations what so ever to me.

Gina says: In the years since Joe’s disappearance, have any of the other three been involved in any type of search ? Especially LaForge, he knows the mountain. Have any of the three ever tried to put an end to any speculation that suggests they know what happened ?

Kelly says: I was in the first search for Joe, no one ever told me or asked me to go search, cause you bet your ass I would have made an effort to do so. We always talk with NYS BCI and went back up recently to show them where about the car was stuck. For putting the speculations to an end, I tried that in 2010 and Gina would allow me to be heard on her Facebooks In Support for Joe, she would delete my post and then block who evers account I was using and numorous people have seen that on the Facebook and tried to defend me and she would block that person as well. Myron Logan, Cheryl Andrews, Daniel North, John.L, Vernon Watson and many others know how Gina was deleting my comments. They seen it and said something to Gina. Gina tried to lie and say I never posted on Joe’s Facebook. Lucky John.L copied and saved what I had wrote before Gina deleted it.(Thanks John) Then Gina said I never posted anything and John said, Oh yes he did, here is what he posted cause he saved it and then re-posted it. She must have felt like a big liar. Goes to show you her ways of conducting her own investigation. Plus you did the same to JP when he tried or someone tired for him in his defense. Say you didn’t and you will be lying again, cause down below, you say “Of course it is JP. Figured that one out a long time ago. Why do you think we’ve been commenting on this thread so regularly?” You couldn’t block or delete his comments cause its not your blog. But when he or someone defended him, you would still accuse or say something stupid in your defense

Gina says: One of the BIGGEST problem the story the three told is that Diaz was heard by a woman as he told her husband (in their driveway) that the WHOLE STORY OF THE CAR GETTING STUCK IN THE DITCH WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A COVER STORY TO HIDE THE TRUTH. What the truth is he didn’t go into detail over.

Kelly says: Now that is total BS, I never said the car wasn’t stuck to anyone. Why doesn’t this lady and her hubby step up and tell the truth. Cause there is no one, you just made that story up. I walked and jogged that night freezing and exchanging a jacket and gloves with Wade on our way back. So don’t tell me the car was never stuck

Gina says: Maybe they wanted Joe to deal for them.

Kelly says: I was 16 and living with my mother who doesn’t condone drugs or drug use, she would never allow that in her house and she would know if I was selling drugs, but I was 16 and buying $2 pin joints off Joe and $10 grams of hasish from Mundo. So as for me dealing drugs at 16, wasn’t happening

Gina says: I think every effort should be made to harass and implicate Wade and Kelly until they crack and rat out LaForge who subsequently rats out on his boss. And then I think we will solve this murder.

Kelly says: Harass and implicate huh, nice tactic, but that is not the way it works in America. No one will crack, cause there is nothing to crack or rat out. Joe was a friend of mine, why would I want to murder him or see him murdered, specially at the age of 16.If I knew anything about Joe’s where abouts, believe me I would have said something a long time ago. I have a conscious.

Gina says: Wade & Kelly, sentenced to 1 – 5 years as accomplices in criminal mischief. Out in 2 for good behavior. LaForge 10 – 20 as an accomplice to a murder (depending how he wants to cooperate), out in 13. By then the original killer is in prison for life (at least), and since John LarForge is informed if this fact as part of his plea-bargain, he finally decides to come clean…thinking he at least won’t end up face down in a stream somewhere.

Kelly says: Dam, she has us guilty and sentenced already, must be from all those years sitting in Bayview Prison. Then has the nerve to say, JP will be in a stream face down if he doesn’t come clean. Is that a threat!?!?!

Gina says: There was plenty of talk on this over the weekend at the flea market and Arianna’s. It looks like Diaz is getting ready to spill the beans. He was spineless back in the day. He must have grew a set recently to have the guts to come forward and take the blame.

Kelly says: I am gonna spill the beans huh, about what, seems like you know more than all 3 of us. Who the hell said I was gonna spill the beans!?! All hear say again.

Gina says: And anyway, WHY do all these people think Kelly did?I mean, I’ve heard that before too…but no one is explaining this..

Kelly says: No one thinks I did anything to Joe, its only Gina and the ones she brain washed with her off the wall theories. Or I think I would be in jail if that were true.

Gina says: It interesting that Wade Marks has chosen to live in Vermont. Why Vermont?

Kelly says: I am pretty sure he meet a lady named Ginger from Vermont and she lives up there in Vermont.

Gina says:  The actual guilty one has threatened to do harm to one or both of the other two if they talk about what HE did that night.

Kelly says: Who is the guilty one and for what, cause I never said I would harm anyone and no one has ever told me that they would harm me. I would have told the police that someone threatened me or said to them, harm me now right here. Where do you hear all this shit, cause I know it wasn’t from anyone that I know, and if they don’t know me how the hell would they know that!?!?!

Gina says: NOT ONE OF THESE THREE WHO WERE IN THE CAR WITH JOE THAT NIGHT HAS REACHED OUT TO JOE’S FAMILY TO HELP, TO OFFER THEIR CONDOLENCES, NOTHING. Well, let me rephrase that….one of them HAS reached out continually to HARASS Joe’s family! Saying things like “We need to get a memorial stone for Joe and I know EXACTLY where we can place it.” and saying to one of the individuals who is helping Joe’s family “Maybe if you stop obsessing over Joe your pain level would decrease.” (this person is in a wheelchair living with a complex spinal/nerve issue affecting more than 23 vertebrae). This same individual also has a number of his friends jump on the facebook support page set up for Joe to harass Joe’s family too!

Kelly says: What, are you kidding me. I talked with Joe’s brother, John and he didn’t have any bad feelings towards me and still talked with me. Now Christine would see me and just stare at me when we were at the bars. Tracy was just on that, fuck you Kelly, you know what happen. Never gave me the chance to speak with them. Joe’s mother I always wanted to say something to but she would just give me that I hate you look. I would see her working at Riches, of course I wanted to talked to her, but I could see and feel what she was going thru, that is why I kept my distance, but really just wanted to let her know that nothing happen to her son when he was with me, and I swear to god. I could never know what she went thru, but just thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. Never would want my mother to go thru that either or anyones mother. I never harrassed any of his family as Gina is saying. Ask Beth if I ever harassed her, I never even knew she was Joe’s aunt till a couple years ago. But we had a very emotional talk recently and I will talk to her whenever she likes. I have nothing to hide. And I never said anything about a memorial stone, so don’t try and put words in my mouth, Gina. Those number of friends are mostly your classmates who don’t support you in the way you have been deceitful towards them and us

Gina says: And there is there is the year long issue of someone (or several someones) who keep tearing down Joe’s missing persons flyers from the grocery store AND from Maple Avenue (which is the street the high school is on AND is a street highly policed by the Ellenville police department so gee…I wonder how someone could possibly manage to tear these posters down???).

Kelly says: Well I seen that you accused me of tearing down the fliers, I never ever tore down one of Joe’s fliers, shit I encourage the fliers. Might help get find Joe in some way. That is one thing I never did or would do, what would be the purpose of me tearing down fliers in Ellenville, and if I got caught doing so, how would that make me look, honestly, gotta have alot of balls to do that, specially when I am part of the case.

Gina says: Tyrone Walker is one of Kelly Diaz’s friends who continually harasses Joe’s family on facebook, doing so to “defend Kelly” as he puts it.

Kelly says: Tyrone Walker is in state prison, how the hell is he on Facebook!?!?! And you keep saying I harass Joe’s family, who do I harass in Joe’s family. Christine, No, Tracy, Hell no, John, Not at all, Beth, never even knew that was his aunt till a few years back. So don’t come on here fibbing about I harass Joe’s family. I haven’t seen or heard Beth mention it once. So please stop making up stories.

Gina says:  Joe didn’t want to hang out. He wanted to go home.

Kelly says: Joe wanted to hang out, he was gonna spend the night at Wades house. We all chipped in on a bag of weed and had a bottle of blackberry brandy that was still almost full. He ask Mundo to take a ride with him, cause Mando had some booger sugar, but Mando didn’t want to share.

Gina says: While were exploring all avenues, there is one that we have yet to explore, yet to discuss. I may be hated for what I’m about to say, but it must be said. What about Armando Rodriguez ? A true investigation needs to be impartial. No offense Mr. Rodriguez if you are reading this. You were one of the last people to see Joe alive as well. I hate to point fingers, but if we are all here to offer some form of assistance, then it needs to be put out there

Kelly says: Now you want to try and point the finger at Mundo too, try and make him feel worse than he does. Funny how you talk with him and ask him to appear on the news segment, why didn’t you say that to him then!?!?! You are 2 faced

Gina says: No one was looking for Joe until after he missed work because his mother thought he was spending the night at a friend’s house and then going to work from there on the 17th. So she had no idea that anything was wrong UNTIL he missed work.

Kellys says: We called his mother in the early AM hours and asked if Joe had made it home, she told us no and that he was suppose to spend the night at Wades. So his mother knew he wasn’t home and then called to find out if Joe was with Vic and if he was at work or called in from work. So stop saying his mother never knew about him missing till he missed work. Mother was hoping  he was somewhere and would show up for work. Lies, Lies, Gina

Gina says: There is also a witness who said that Kelly Diaz blurted out one day during an arguement that the “car on the mountain” story was a cover

Kelly says: You first say that I was over heard telling someones husband in the driveway that the car never was stuck, now you also say that, I got in a argument and blurted out, “car on the mountain was a cover story”. Which one was it, heard in the drive way talking to someones hubby or was I arguing and blurted out. Keep making lies Gina

Gina says: Kelly and his friend have gone as far as to tell Joe’s family in a chat room during an internet radio show “We should get a stone to memorialize Joe. I know exactly where we should put it”

Kelly says: Who in Joe’s family have I talked to in a chatroom during and internet show!?!?! And how would I know about them being in a chatroom or on internet radio, what station was that and what was the date of the show!?!? Cause this is straight doo doo and lies. Tell me who I harrassed, sure wasn’t Beth, Tracy, Christine or John, that is the only family I know of Joe

Gina says: Armando, unlike the three, has been involved in the search for Joe FROM THE BEGINNING.

Kelly says: We weren’t envoled huh, so who brought the State Police back up there where we last seen Joe walking.!?! Sure wasn’t you Gina, it was us and we did help search for Joe, I still remember that day. It started snowing good when we got up there, so don’t sit here and tell them I never searched, who informs you with this info!?!?!

Gina says: Of course it is JP. Figured that one out a long time ago. Why do you think we’ve been commenting on this thread so regularly? It’s comical to us to see how far he’ll go and great fun to watch his antics when we push just one or two of his buttons….even more so now that we’ve said that we know it’s him

Kellys says: Gina I don’t see how you find this comical, seems like you are playing games and getting a thrill out of this. You can say all you want, but if you called me a murderer or accused , I wouldn’t be to happy about that either(which you have already done to us for 2 years). How are you gonna make someone angry and then say calm down, that is like shooting someone and then saying don’t bleed. This is not comical at all !!!!

Gina says: WHO WAS THE OLDEST? IT WAS LAFORGE (21), INDICATING HE MAY HAVE BEEN A DRUG SUPPLIER FOR YOUNGER TEENS.

Kelly says: Yes he was the oldest and no way was JP a drug supplier back then, I am sure Chris Lutz(Who is a Ulster County Sheriff), Allan Lutz and Larry Lutz can all agree that no way was JP a drug supplier back then or now. They would certainly know cause they use to live right across the street from JP and grew up with him.

Gina says: A witness who came forward said that the three were arguing with Joe at the party just one hour before they left. The argument seemed to be getting heated, to the point that fingers were in faces and people were moving away for fear that it was about to escalate into a physical confrontation. People heard them talking about money, beer and pot (ie who was paying for what and who didn’t pay yet).

Kelly says: Listen, there was never a fight up there with Joe, listen to what you are saying, Gina. You say at least 50 people were there and seen us getting in a heated argument where people feared for there lives and started backing away from us cause it was about to get physical. Well why doesn’t Mundo or anyone else remember us getting into this big argument that people feared. How come that was never mentioned in 1987. I am sure that if everyone backed away and seen us fighting or arguing, Mundo would have remembered or someone out of the 50 people. That is cause there was no argument or fighting. And I am pretty sure if this was true, Mundo would have gave him a ride no matter what, not leave him where he just seen him fighting with me.

Gina says: We all know Joe didn’t run away. He’s not living in Florida as some suggested.

Kelly says: I know he didn’t run away, he walked away and that is all, so to suggest that we harmed our friend is really fucked up. I really do hope he is alive and well, cause I don’t want to hear any apologies, just kiss my ass where the sun don’t shine. Last I seen Joe, he was alive and well and walking. Only thing I can think of is that he caught a ride with the Jeffery Dahmer of the 1980′s or that he did catch a ride and skipped town, or that when he was walking on the road he may have got hit by a vehicle/plow truck and the person/people stopped and seen that they hit and killed Joe and didn’t want to get in trouble and picked him up and disposed of him. These are the only things that I really think that could have been possible

Gina says: The “Justice for Joe” movement has been pushing hard because we want answers. We love Joe and we want to know what happened to him.

Kelly says: How come you have 2 groups!?!?! first you had In Support of Joe, then you create Justice for Joe. By all means I am in Support of Joe and want to know his where abouts as well. You aren’t pushing, Gina, you are accusing and finger pointing with no real eveidence or proof. You are just going by hear say and then when its time to back your theories up you come up with an excuse. What Justice are you looking for, cause I know for sure Joe was alive and well the last I seen him, and the polygraphs proved it.

Gina says: I’m going to beg here. If you could contact me privately via email at ellenville88@gmail.com, I’d appreciate it. As you are concerned about JP’s safety, there are some things that can be offered to him which will guarantee his safety. But I need to talk to you privately. PLEASE, I’m asking you with every fiber of my being, PLEASE EMAIL ME at ellenville88@gmail.com.

Kelly says: What can you offer, JP that the State Police can’t!?!?!

Gina says: For Chrissakes, Mr. Marks! Just get it out in the open if you didn’t actually kill that boy! What’s worse 3 years in prison or 25 years of running scared? Maybe it’s all starting to balance out for you. And indeed, I am just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks too.

Kelly says: Now you are trying to implicate Wades father, you really are reaching and definitely throwing crazy theories out there. You really need to stop and think what you are saying and doing. Not a good look for you.

Gina says: NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS HAS PUBLICLY SHOWED ANY REMORSE OR TENDENCY TO HELP JOE’S FRIENDS OR FAMILY COPE WITH THIS.

Kelly says: Are you kidding me, I know that I have spoken to John Helt(Joe’s Lil Brother) after Joe went missing. And you keep saying Joe’s friends, guess what? I am Joe’s friend and always will be, unlike you, claiming that Joe consoled you in your time of need. I really don’t recall Joe talking about you or even seen talking to you in school, Gina. Plus I just was asked to sit down with Beth and tell our story about that night, and she knows and seen & felt my emotions. Unlike you have, Gina. So please stop making up these lies about all of us, not just us 3, but everyone you keep adding to your list. Like German, Wade’s father, JP’s father or judge, Armando(Mundo), Vernon Watson, Tyrone Walker, Walter Diaz and a few others.

Gina says: So we’re throwing theories out there which are not exactly uneducated theories. They are EDUCATED theories…and we’re casting them out there to see what FITS best.

Kelly says: Uneducated to the fullest and ridiculous theories. You can make all the theories you like, just stop posting them on the internet with our names.involed. What you are doing is not right in our eyes and Joe’s family plus the public eye.

Gina says: A profile of Kelly shows that he is the more violent one. And Kelly was more connected to vilent crime according to some

Kelly says: My profile doesn’t show that I am a violent person, I don’t have one voilent offence against me or on my rap sheet. Again, you are saying hear say, according to some. And who is that some, Gina!?!?! Please do tell, we all are waiting…

Gina says: There may be police corruption. Some people like to jab that certain individuals in the police department may have been involved.

Kelly says: I really do highly doubt that, corruption of what!?!?!, its a mising person case.

Gina says: There maybe have to be a sacrificial lamb to get this going…but who’s volunteering?

Kelly says: Nobody is, this is not a game. We want to know the truth of what happen to Joe without your sacrificing tactics or making someone volunteer to lie about what happen with Joe. This is why you are not involed in the Support of Joe anymore. You have good intentions in finding Joe, but a horrible way of going about it.

Gina says:  People close to each of the three have stated that Joe is buried on the Marks’ property. And I do think that Wade’s father is involved in it.

Kelly says: Again, you are going on hear say. I never ever said anything like that, not even joking would I say something like that and I am sure the other 2 never ever said that as well. Wade’s dad has no involvement in this. How dare you try to implicate Mr.Marks. You are demented

Gina says: How does JP fit in with the theory that Wade and Kelly had a sexual relationship which Joe accidentally discovered? JP and Joe could have been in the lodge while Kelly and Wade went out to the car to get more beer or weed. What’s taking them so long ? Hey Joe, why don’t you go see where the heck they are. Joe goes out, sees the windows of the car all steamed over, figures they’re smoking, opens the door and …. well …. gets an eye full. They, especially Kelly, try to convince him that he didn’t see what he thinks he saw. Joe’s not stupid. Hence the argument. They’re trying to make sure he keeps his mouth shut. Hey, btw…didn’t they recently legalize gay marriage in Vermont or something?

Kelly says: There was no sexual activity that night at all, I really can’t believe you would even suggest something like that. You got to be heavily medicate, Gina to think or suggest that

Gina says: There’s always the fact that the three have worked together to preserve their story which really says alot.

Kelly says: Its no story, we told the truth and all 3 of us took and passed a polygraph test with no inconclusive answers from anyone of us. Adminstrated by the NYS Troopers (BCI) at their headquaters. Which really says alot and proves our innocense. By the way, I don’t know JP or ever hung out with him before and after Joe’s diappearance, I was just getting a ride in his car. Matter of fact, when I was stripper fishing in Eddyville, I seen him catch herring by the dam, and he walked right by me, not even knowing who I was. He doesn’t know me, that night was the first time I ever hung with him. That is how much we work together, and for Wade, I haven’t seen or talked with him for many many moons.

Gina says: Now, here’s an afterthought: Maybe Wade’s father was distributing drugs for his drug-dealing bike-gang in the 1980′s, and John LaForge was in turn his “next in line”, taking quanities from Mr. Marks to sell to the younger crowd at places like Mt Cathalia

Kelly says: I never seen Mr.Marks ever do or deal drugs, you should be a shamed of yourself to even say that about his father. I know he like to ride his bike, but I never heard he was in a bike gang or wore patches. If that is true, what is the name of the bike gang since you seem to know so much.!?!?!

Gina says: If you can wait until the middle of the month, his picture, along with Wade’s and Kelly’s will hopefully be on the front page of the local newspapers.

Kelly says: And please tell us why, I think I know why. Cause you and your bf Sherry Schwartz(who you went to elmentary with) started brain storming and tried to say I told Sherry in school that Joe was dead. I am pretty sure that is the reason. If so, the State Police know Sherry and I never had class together as she claims and stated, plus I never had Wade in any of my classes either. I was just informed that Sherry is not credible and they don’t believe her story. I mean why would you believe her story. How come she never told a friend that I told her that!?!? How come the teacher in the room didn’t ask what was going on or other students see what was going on when I walked Wade out the classroom, was Sherry the only one in class with Wade and I !?!?! What you 2 have done and are doing is really out of line and sinistar.

Gina says: The person who talked on this thread saying that the names of the three were about to be included on the front page of the newspaper was none other than Kelly Diaz’s best friend. So I’d put no weight into his claims at all..

Kelly says: Did my best friend tell you that, Gina.Who & Why the hell would he say that if he was my best friend as you claim!?!?! You post that our pictures will be in the paper soon, then say you would not put any weight in his claims. You don’t make any sense.

Gina says: Kelly abandoned the property when he couldn’t pay the taxes and ownership was turned back to the town. They confiscated the property in lieu of taxes. The old trailer that he lived in was hauled away and the property is just vacant now.

Kelly says: I rented that property, how could I owe taxes on it. Serious. Ask J.Sherry or his mother. They know, my mother rented that land.

Gina says: It’s amazing how we, as average citizens, can see how the three should be considered suspects but LE can’t. It’s insane. And to each of these players…..remember that there is NO statute of limitations on MURDER. And yes, it WAS a murder. One person may have murdered Joe, but several were a part of the situation

Kelly says: Now how do you know he was murdered and by who, seems like you have all the answers.I am not worried and for sure that Joe wasn’t murdered by us 3. I sleep well at night, but I do always wonder where he went or what happen to him. I always talk to anyone who asks me about that night.

Gina says: I’m sure some people already feel the three are guilty. Myself included. It’s hard to draw any other conclusion based on we know.

Kelly says: No, people don’t feel that way, Gina, only you do and the ones you have brain washed with those crazy theories of yours. I can’t make everyone believe me or us, but I know many people feel the opposite of you, Gina. Even much of your classmates feel that you are going about this the wrong way and left the group on Facebook cause the way you run things. And alot of your classmates don’t feel the way you do either.

Gina says: It’s frankly quite amusing that one of the three and his little group of “minions” keep creating fake profiles on this and other pages in order to post a lot of crap, trying to take the focus away from our work. It makes me laugh so hard.

Kelly says: You are the one who does that and have conversations with yourself like you are 4 different people talking amung one another. You slipped up on your posts and it shows. Bet you wish you could have deleted that post, but no deleting on that blog.You can laugh all you want, but this isn’t a game, this is about my friend Joe and u keep claiming that I murdered him. Not something I am laughing about. But I see you like to laugh and taunt people like this means nothing to you. That is why I created this to show people what you are saying and doing to us with no real evidence, all hear say as you claim.

Gina says: We are searching for the truth. Clues keep coming in and we’re following them as they do.

Kellys says: How come you are the one receiving clues and not the NYS BCI!?!?! And why aren’t you tell (BCI)Thomas Fortuna about them. When I just spoke with him about Sherry saying on CBS News that we told her Joe is dead. He said, you know what Kelly, with them girls saying that on National TV, guess how many leads or tips I got on my desk from that. Nada, Zero. So where are all your clues coming from and why with hold info from the (BCI).!?!?!

Gina says: Maybe Joe knew something about the police being involved in something bad and the they did away with him…and then used the the three boys as decoys but never prosecuted them causing the whole thing to hang in limbo for eternity. Maybe those three got pardoned from something else in return for their role in helping cover up Joe’s murder, even if they didn’t actually do it

Kelly says: You really have some imagination. Stop and think what you are saying

Gina says: Is it possible that the two other boys were there to subdue Joe Helt while John LaForge injected him with a lethal dose of cocaine and heroine supplied by connections of corrupt father/judge? Could it be that Joe had accidentally learned too much about this? Or perhaps just a bad drug deal.

Kelly says: Drug deal on top of the mountain in the middle of no where!?! Com’on now, and we subdued, Joe. No how, No way is this every possible, just theories thought up by someone who has no real intentions for the truth

Gina says:  it’s always the most calm before the storm …… watch out boys …… it’s coming …. fast and hard. You can run, but you cannot hide.

Kelly says: No one is running or hiding, you seem to know so much about Joe being murdered, sounds like you have something to do with it. How do you know he was murdered!?!?! You keep saying and being amid about it

Gina says: Joe did leave the party with these three. He was seen leaving the party with the three and the three do not deny this fact. One hour before he left with them he was seen arguing with them off to the side of the building where the party was taking place. After this point Joe asked a friend for a ride home (he didn’t see or hear the argument.) but his vehicle was full and he couldn’t give Joe a ride home

Kelly says:How could Mundo not see or hear the arguement. Let me quote you” Joe and Kelly were arguing with one another where we were putting hands in each others face and people feared it was gonna get physical and everyone started backing up. Well how come Joe didn’t tell Mundo what just happened or how come Mundo didn’t see or hear the argument. Cause there was no argument. You know someone at the party would have mentioned that to Mundo, police or someone.

Gina says: Not one hothead went and confronted one of them and tried to beat the truth out of him

Kelly says: Yes, that has happened to me when I was 16. I had N.Wolfe, J.Kreco, T.Chennyfield and I think K.Richmond. But one of them asked me to step out a friends(Rolando Florez) house. I did so, thinking one of them wanted to talked to me and he walked me to the side of the building by the parking lot and that is when they all popped out and wanted me to get in the car. I refused to go, that is when Ty threw me on the car and started threatening me and all of them swarmed me. Lucky there were some poeple watching. Even Ty’s ex wife Johanna seen it and said what he did to me on the Facebooks In Support of Joe. So that is no lie.

Gina says: Anyway, why aren’t people talking more about those other guys and where they might be or what they might be up to

Kelly says: You want to know why, cause they know we proved & told the truth and definitely don’t hide from anyone. I see a lot of your classmates and they still say hi and smile or shake my hand and talk with me.

Gina says: These guys are supposedly confirmed drug dealers, and drug dealers have been known to rat each other out in a second.

Kelly says: Well your theory about ratting each other out in a second is wrong. So you can delete that theory, cause its been 25 years and that has not and will never  happen. Is it okay for you to sit here and say we are confirmed drug dealers? Well how about I say you are a confirmed and convicted felon, was stole almost a half a million dollars($400.000) from your job, Those people trusted and believed in you Gina and that is how you treat them back. You lied to them about stealing money from their company. Why should anyone of us believe your theories now. You deceived other who trusted in you before, now you want people to believe & trust you again!?!?!

Gina says: Yes, someone came forward who witnessed the argument. That’s how we found out about the argument.

Kelly says: Thats funny, how come the State Police never mentioned that to me or even question me about a fight. They did ask me on the polygraph, if anyone of us had got into a fight with Joe. I told them no and the polygraph showed I was being honest.

Gina says: Maybe I’ve watched too much CSI!

Kelly says: Way to Much !!!! You’re about to go blind. Oh wait, you are blind, blind to the facts and truth that is.

Gina says: It does not appear that JP or Kelly have done much with their lives since. They’re not pillars of the community. Neither is a lawyer, a doctor, a dentist or even a veterinarian.

Kelly says: What have you done with your life, Gina. Don’t come on here trying to judge us when your closet is filthy. You’re a convicted felon who stole over $400,000 close to a half million dollars. How much drugs was you snorting and smoking. That is an awful lot of money. So look who is talking who has done much with their life. I never claimed to be any of them

Gina says: If I’m not mistaken, Kelly refers to those of us that post here and on facebook as being an “angry mob”

Kelly says: When have I ever said that!?!?! There is no mob, Gina, just you and Sherri. I definitely don’t consider you an angry mob. But I do refer to you as a(what rhymes with hunt) You don’t even know me, just my name. Have you ever said hi to me!?! NO

Gina says: Unlike the three, Armando has answered all questions, has been upfront and honest about everything and he is not the last person Joe was with when he disappeared. So yes, we back Armando

Kelly says: Where do you get your info from, maybe if you took the time out to get to know me and be civil and no finger pointing, then maybe you and I could’ve been talking and me telliing you what happen that night. But you know more than us 3 and the police, you have all the answers already as we can see. We have complied above and beyond with everyone except you. You say JP doesn’t help, well I just got off the phone with Heidi Wagner with the Search & Rescue from Sams Point. She told me that JP was and is very helpful and she can verify that for anyone. So please stop making up lies and spreading them around like a bad germ. Karma is gonna bite you in the ass for what you’re doing. Now you say you back, Mundo. But before you said he should be investigate as well. Which one is it. I see you will go to great lengths to try and have us charged for murder.without seeking the TRUTH, but the truth is here and always will be.

Gina says: Kelly Diaz killed Joe… Everyone knows this in their heart, had the police conducted a proper interview they would have known. I hope he burns in hell for what he’s done.

Kelly says: What have I done that I really deserve to burn in hell!?!?! Careful what you wish for, what comes around goes around. Karma is a motherfu@ker

Gina says: Actually it’s never been a secret who the people are behind the Justice for Joe movement (myself being one of them) and my name is already on this thread in previous comments so saying it again isn’t a big deal. I have no problem putting my name to anything I say. Gina Schuster !!!

Beth says: I honestly don’t care if someone is making any of them a little uncomfortable…The fact is my nephew is missing….25 years have gone by. 25 years of not having him in our lives. It isn’t fair to him or to the people who love him. While I refuse to point fingers on this page I will say that I am sure…with every breathe that I take that at least one of the three know what happened to him.I don’t recall any of the 3 coming to my sister’s house showing concern while she sat and waited for that phone call…So if for some reason they have had to deal with some scrutiny in their sad little lives….. SO BE IT!!!

Kelly says: I never and still don’t feel uncomfortable, maybe when I saw Tracy cause she was on a war path when she seen me and would blurt and yell stuff at me that was hurtful, she use to be very nice to me, then she hated me. I would have went to Joe’s mothers but she wasn’t very happy to see me, even when I was hanging by Riches where she worked, she would stare at me with the evil face. I wish she was alive so I could talk to her, but she knows the truth now and I bet she is shaking her head at the way Gina has been saying these things about us doing to her son. I know she knows the truth now and so does Beth. And when it is time for me to stand in front of god and be judged, I know I will not be judge for being a murderer or witness to a murderer. I proved and still will prove my innocense, that is why I created this page. I have nothing really to be remorseful about, cause the last I seen Joe he was alive and well and walking. But I do feel for his family too, it has to be hard to lose a family member and never see him again and wonder what really happen to him or where he went. Not a very good feeling

    I see you will post lies without finding out the facts & truth first. This is Kelly Diaz and I am here to say that everything Gina Schuster is telling you all is straight bold face lies and theories. I am here to put a stop to this and try her in court for defamation & slander. 1 – She is telling people that I was telling people the car was never stuck, well guess what, it sure was, cause Heidi Wagner of the Search & Rescue Team from Sams Point (845 647 3123)just told me that two local fireman from Cragsmoor helped JP retrieve the car the next following day around 5pm and she can verify the fireman and truth about the car being stuck. Plus she can verify that we have been very cooperative in finding Joe and answering questions. 2 – Gina and her friend Sherri Schwartz started brainstorming and had Sherri agree to say that I told her in class that Joe was never coming back and dead. I never had Sherri in my classes and she was 2 grades above me and the school records show that her and I never had any class together.Plus I just learned that Gina & Sherri were trying to coerce a classmate into saying she was in the class with Sherri as well. So you can see what type of people I am dealing with and what lengths she will try and twist the truth into something that never happened or have us charged for murder. 3 – Gina Hetcher (Schuster) is a convicted felon who stole & defrauded almost a half a million dollars($400,000) from her job. She betrayed, lied and defrauded her job and was tried and convicted for 10 years, only did 4 and got out on good behavior. Instead of trying to build her reputation back up in an honorable way, she’s resorting to sensationalism & mucking about someone else’s sorrows. 4 – Gina always say we have new clues & info or we have a new witness in negotiations. Well why are you the only one receiving tips and clues or having witness coming to you and not the NYS BCI. Why are you with holding info from the NYS BCI Thomas Fortuna (845 626 2863)! How come he has never said anything to us about your tips, clues or witnesses! Cause he knows its all fabricated by you, Gina. 5 – If you spent less time on this computer finger pointing and accusing and roll your butt up there and help us search we might have found some clues. But your to lazy, all you want to do is accuse people without any real evidence to back up your claims, all hear say or he said & she said. 6 – We all have complied above and beyond with the NYS BCI and a few other important people looking for Joe. Plus all 3 of us pass a polygraph test with no inconclusive answers from any 3 of us. So if any of us 3 were lying about anything don’t you think the lie detector would have picked it up! I could see the speculation if one of us passed, but all 3 of us passed 7 – Gina was ready and willing to do a documentary on Joe’s case and tell her theories & lies on the documentary. But when she found out that I was gonna be a part of the documentary, she changed her mind and told the lady Trish Gillespie (203 770 8824) that she didn’t and wouldn’t be a part of the documentary and that Trish wasn’t allowed to use her name in the documentary. The reason she changed her mind is cause she thought that none of us would stand up and argue against her bold face lies & theories and actually come out and tell our side of the truth. She thought we would just tuck our tails and lay down. I don’t hear a peep out of Gina anymore, now that I just exposed her for a fraud and proved her to be a liar.

  We told the truth and still do to this day. I just wanted people to see what she has been saying and doing. So I will address her this way, so she can see what I have to say about her comments and theories. I miss Joe too, he is a friend of mine and I really do hope he is alive and well. I always think about Joe and where and what the hell happen. I would love to know just as much as his family. One true fact here is that not 1 of us harmed Joe. Here is a prayer I believe in. “Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place. Stand with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the sheild of faith with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one(Gina)”. I am sorry I was there that night with Joe, but I can assure you that he was alive and well the last we seen him and we proved that. God Bless Us All !!!

If you like to read some more click on the link below:

http://coldnomore.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/kelly-diaz-speaks-out-you-arent-jessica-fletcher

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  1. Truth says:

    Bold Face Lies & Theories vs the Truth

    Gina says: These are all excellent scenarios and completely plausible We don’t know for sure what happened to Joe after he left the party that night. We are searching for the truth. Clues keep coming in and we’re following them as they do. We’ve already found inconsistencies in the story told by the three with regard to statements printed in original articles in the days after Joe’s disappearance. Joe wasn’t discovered to be missing until after 5pm on Jan.17th when he failed to show up for work. His boss called his mother at that point and after his mother called around looking for him she realized that he was nowhere to be found. However, John LaForge is quoted in the Times Herald Record on the 20th o Jan. (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139401449480497) saying that Wade Marks called him at 3:30pm to say that Joe was missing….almost TWO FULL HOURS BEFORE Joe was discovered to be missing! This statement contradicts their statements given previously. This is just one of many clues that are coming forward. So we’re getting there…one clue at a time.

    Kelly says: Wade and I called Joe’s mom at 7am in the morning asking her if Joe was home cause he left us and wasn’t at Wade’s house. So she told us that she would call in a while and see if Joe was at work or with Vic. So either she called back or we called back by noon and she said he wasn’t at work, that is when we all knew he was missing. So if, Wade did call J.P by 3:30pm we have talked with Joe’s mom by then and she told us he was missing and not at work. So lets get that straight and out the way. There is nothing inconsistant about our story, don’t you think the cops would have caught and question that also. How come you think you are smarter than the police!?!?!

    Gina says: SEVERAL OTHER DRUG RELATED MURDERS WERE COMMITTED IN CRAGSMOOR DURING THOSE SAME YEARS INTO 90′S, INCLUDING ONE INVOLVING ANOTHER PERSON NAMED WALTER DIAZ. COULD THIS PERSON BE RELATED TO KELLY DIAZ?

    Kelly says: No relation what so ever, same last name, but no relations what so ever to me.

    Gina says: In the years since Joe’s disappearance, have any of the other three been involved in any type of search ? Especially LaForge, he knows the mountain. Have any of the three ever tried to put an end to any speculation that suggests they know what happened ?

    Kelly says: I was in the first search for Joe, no one ever told me or asked me to go search, cause you bet your ass I would have made an effort to do so. We always talk with NYS BCI and went back up recently to show them where about the car was stuck. For putting the speculations to an end, I tried that in 2010 and Gina would allow me to be heard on her Facebooks In Support for Joe, she would delete my post and then block who evers account I was using and numorous people have seen that on the Facebook and tried to defend me and she would block that person as well. Myron Logan, Cheryl Andrews, Daniel North, John.L, Vernon Watson and many others know how Gina was deleting my comments. They seen it and said something to Gina. Gina tried to lie and say I never posted on Joe’s Facebook. Lucky John.L copied and saved what I had wrote before Gina deleted it.(Thanks John) Then Gina said I never posted anything and John said, Oh yes he did, here is what he posted cause he saved it and then re-posted it. She must have felt like a big liar. Goes to show you her ways of conducting her own investigation. Plus you did the same to JP when he tried or someone tired for him in his defense. Say you didn’t and you will be lying again, cause down below, you say “Of course it is JP. Figured that one out a long time ago. Why do you think we’ve been commenting on this thread so regularly?” You couldn’t block or delete his comments cause its not your blog. But when he or someone defended him, you would still accuse or say something stupid in your defense

    Gina says: One of the BIGGEST problem the story the three told is that Diaz was heard by a woman as he told her husband (in their driveway) that the WHOLE STORY OF THE CAR GETTING STUCK IN THE DITCH WAS NOTHING MORE THAN A COVER STORY TO HIDE THE TRUTH. What the truth is he didn’t go into detail over.

    Kelly says: Now that is total BS, I never said the car wasn’t stuck to anyone. Why doesn’t this lady and her hubby step up and tell the truth. Cause there is no one, you just made that story up. I walked and jogged that night freezing and exchanging a jacket and gloves with Wade on our way back. So don’t tell me the car was never stuck

    Gina says: Maybe they wanted Joe to deal for them.

    Kelly says: I was 16 and living with my mother who doesn’t condone drugs or drug use, she would never allow that in her house and she would know if I was selling drugs, but I was 16 and buying $2 pin joints off Joe and $10 grams of hasish from Mundo. So as for me dealing drugs at 16, wasn’t happening

    Gina says: I think every effort should be made to harass and implicate Wade and Kelly until they crack and rat out LaForge who subsequently rats out on his boss. And then I think we will solve this murder.

    Kelly says: Harass and implicate huh, nice tactic, but that is not the way it works in America. No one will crack, cause there is nothing to crack or rat out. Joe was a friend of mine, why would I want to murder him or see him murdered, specially at the age of 16.If I knew anything about Joe’s where abouts, believe me I would have said something a long time ago. I have a conscious.

    Gina says: Wade & Kelly, sentenced to 1 – 5 years as accomplices in criminal mischief. Out in 2 for good behavior. LaForge 10 – 20 as an accomplice to a murder (depending how he wants to cooperate), out in 13. By then the original killer is in prison for life (at least), and since John LarForge is informed if this fact as part of his plea-bargain, he finally decides to come clean…thinking he at least won’t end up face down in a stream somewhere.

    Kelly says: Dam, she has us guilty and sentenced already, must be from all those years sitting in Bayview Prison. Then has the nerve to say, JP will be in a stream face down if he doesn’t come clean. Is that a threat!?!?!

    Gina says: There was plenty of talk on this over the weekend at the flea market and Arianna’s. It looks like Diaz is getting ready to spill the beans. He was spineless back in the day. He must have grew a set recently to have the guts to come forward and take the blame.

    Kelly says: I am gonna spill the beans huh, about what, seems like you know more than all 3 of us. Who the hell said I was gonna spill the beans!?! All hear say again.

    Gina says: And anyway, WHY do all these people think Kelly did?I mean, I’ve heard that before too…but no one is explaining this..

    Kelly says: No one thinks I did anything to Joe, its only Gina and the ones she brain washed with her off the wall theories. Or I think I would be in jail if that were true.

    Gina says: It interesting that Wade Marks has chosen to live in Vermont. Why Vermont?

    Kelly says: I am pretty sure he meet a lady named Ginger from Vermont and she lives up there in Vermont.

    Gina says: The actual guilty one has threatened to do harm to one or both of the other two if they talk about what HE did that night.

    Kelly says: Who is the guilty one and for what, cause I never said I would harm anyone and no one has ever told me that they would harm me. I would have told the police that someone threatened me or said to them, harm me now right here. Where do you hear all this shit, cause I know it wasn’t from anyone that I know, and if they don’t know me how the hell would they know that!?!?!

    Gina says: NOT ONE OF THESE THREE WHO WERE IN THE CAR WITH JOE THAT NIGHT HAS REACHED OUT TO JOE’S FAMILY TO HELP, TO OFFER THEIR CONDOLENCES, NOTHING. Well, let me rephrase that….one of them HAS reached out continually to HARASS Joe’s family! Saying things like “We need to get a memorial stone for Joe and I know EXACTLY where we can place it.” and saying to one of the individuals who is helping Joe’s family “Maybe if you stop obsessing over Joe your pain level would decrease.” (this person is in a wheelchair living with a complex spinal/nerve issue affecting more than 23 vertebrae). This same individual also has a number of his friends jump on the facebook support page set up for Joe to harass Joe’s family too!

    Kelly says: What, are you kidding me. I talked with Joe’s brother, John and he didn’t have any bad feelings towards me and still talked with me. Now Christine would see me and just stare at me when we were at the bars. Tracy was just on that, fuck you Kelly, you know what happen. Never gave me the chance to speak with them. Joe’s mother I always wanted to say something to but she would just give me that I hate you look. I would see her working at Riches, of course I wanted to talked to her, but I could see and feel what she was going thru, that is why I kept my distance, but really just wanted to let her know that nothing happen to her son when he was with me, and I swear to god. I could never know what she went thru, but just thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. Never would want my mother to go thru that either or anyones mother. I never harrassed any of his family as Gina is saying. Ask Beth if I ever harassed her, I never even knew she was Joe’s aunt till a couple years ago. But we had a very emotional talk recently and I will talk to her whenever she likes. I have nothing to hide. And I never said anything about a memorial stone, so don’t try and put words in my mouth, Gina. Those number of friends are mostly your classmates who don’t support you in the way you have been deceitful towards them and us

    Gina says: And there is there is the year long issue of someone (or several someones) who keep tearing down Joe’s missing persons flyers from the grocery store AND from Maple Avenue (which is the street the high school is on AND is a street highly policed by the Ellenville police department so gee…I wonder how someone could possibly manage to tear these posters down???).

    Kelly says: Well I seen that you accused me of tearing down the fliers, I never ever tore down one of Joe’s fliers, shit I encourage the fliers. Might help get find Joe in some way. That is one thing I never did or would do, what would be the purpose of me tearing down fliers in Ellenville, and if I got caught doing so, how would that make me look, honestly, gotta have alot of balls to do that, specially when I am part of the case.

    Gina says: Tyrone Walker is one of Kelly Diaz’s friends who continually harasses Joe’s family on facebook, doing so to “defend Kelly” as he puts it.

    Kelly says: Tyrone Walker is in state prison, how the hell is he on Facebook!?!?! And you keep saying I harass Joe’s family, who do I harass in Joe’s family. Christine, No, Tracy, Hell no, John, Not at all, Beth, never even knew that was his aunt till a few years back. So don’t come on here fibbing about I harass Joe’s family. I haven’t seen or heard Beth mention it once. So please stop making up stories.

    Gina says: Joe didn’t want to hang out. He wanted to go home.

    Kelly says: Joe wanted to hang out, he was gonna spend the night at Wades house. We all chipped in on a bag of weed and had a bottle of blackberry brandy that was still almost full. He ask Mundo to take a ride with him, cause Mando had some booger sugar, but Mando didn’t want to share.

    Gina says: While were exploring all avenues, there is one that we have yet to explore, yet to discuss. I may be hated for what I’m about to say, but it must be said. What about Armando Rodriguez ? A true investigation needs to be impartial. No offense Mr. Rodriguez if you are reading this. You were one of the last people to see Joe alive as well. I hate to point fingers, but if we are all here to offer some form of assistance, then it needs to be put out there

    Kelly says: Now you want to try and point the finger at Mundo too, try and make him feel worse than he does. Funny how you talk with him and ask him to appear on the news segment, why didn’t you say that to him then!?!?! You are 2 faced

    Gina says: No one was looking for Joe until after he missed work because his mother thought he was spending the night at a friend’s house and then going to work from there on the 17th. So she had no idea that anything was wrong UNTIL he missed work.

    Kellys says: We called his mother in the early AM hours and asked if Joe had made it home, she told us no and that he was suppose to spend the night at Wades. So his mother knew he wasn’t home and then called to find out if Joe was with Vic and if he was at work or called in from work. So stop saying his mother never knew about him missing till he missed work. Mother was hoping he was somewhere and would show up for work. Lies, Lies, Gina

    Gina says: There is also a witness who said that Kelly Diaz blurted out one day during an arguement that the “car on the mountain” story was a cover

    Kelly says: You first say that I was over heard telling someones husband in the driveway that the car never was stuck, now you also say that, I got in a argument and blurted out, “car on the mountain was a cover story”. Which one was it, heard in the drive way talking to someones hubby or was I arguing and blurted out. Keep making lies Gina

    Gina says: Kelly and his friend have gone as far as to tell Joe’s family in a chat room during an internet radio show “We should get a stone to memorialize Joe. I know exactly where we should put it”

    Kelly says: Who in Joe’s family have I talked to in a chatroom during and internet show!?!?! And how would I know about them being in a chatroom or on internet radio, what station was that and what was the date of the show!?!? Cause this is straight doo doo and lies. Tell me who I harrassed, sure wasn’t Beth, Tracy, Christine or John, that is the only family I know of Joe

    Gina says: Armando, unlike the three, has been involved in the search for Joe FROM THE BEGINNING.

    Kelly says: We weren’t envoled huh, so who brought the State Police back up there where we last seen Joe walking.!?! Sure wasn’t you Gina, it was us and we did help search for Joe, I still remember that day. It started snowing good when we got up there, so don’t sit here and tell them I never searched, who informs you with this info!?!?!

    Gina says: Of course it is JP. Figured that one out a long time ago. Why do you think we’ve been commenting on this thread so regularly? It’s comical to us to see how far he’ll go and great fun to watch his antics when we push just one or two of his buttons….even more so now that we’ve said that we know it’s him

    Kellys says: Gina I don’t see how you find this comical, seems like you are playing games and getting a thrill out of this. You can say all you want, but if you called me a murderer or accused , I wouldn’t be to happy about that either(which you have already done to us for 2 years). How are you gonna make someone angry and then say calm down, that is like shooting someone and then saying don’t bleed. This is not comical at all !!!!

    Gina says: WHO WAS THE OLDEST? IT WAS LAFORGE (21), INDICATING HE MAY HAVE BEEN A DRUG SUPPLIER FOR YOUNGER TEENS.

    Kelly says: Yes he was the oldest and no way was JP a drug supplier back then, I am sure Chris Lutz(Who is a Ulster County Sheriff), Allan Lutz and Larry Lutz can all agree that no way was JP a drug supplier back then or now. They would certainly know cause they use to live right across the street from JP and grew up with him.

    Gina says: A witness who came forward said that the three were arguing with Joe at the party just one hour before they left. The argument seemed to be getting heated, to the point that fingers were in faces and people were moving away for fear that it was about to escalate into a physical confrontation. People heard them talking about money, beer and pot (ie who was paying for what and who didn’t pay yet).

    Kelly says: Listen, there was never a fight up there with Joe, listen to what you are saying, Gina. You say at least 50 people were there and seen us getting in a heated argument where people feared for there lives and started backing away from us cause it was about to get physical. Well why doesn’t Mundo or anyone else remember us getting into this big argument that people feared. How come that was never mentioned in 1987. I am sure that if everyone backed away and seen us fighting or arguing, Mundo would have remembered or someone out of the 50 people. That is cause there was no argument or fighting. And I am pretty sure if this was true, Mundo would have gave him a ride no matter what, not leave him where he just seen him fighting with me.

    Gina says: We all know Joe didn’t run away. He’s not living in Florida as some suggested.

    Kelly says: I know he didn’t run away, he walked away and that is all, so to suggest that we harmed our friend is really fucked up. I really do hope he is alive and well, cause I don’t want to hear any apologies, just kiss my ass where the sun don’t shine. Last I seen Joe, he was alive and well and walking. Only thing I can think of is that he caught a ride with the Jeffery Dahmer of the 1980’s or that he did catch a ride and skipped town, or that when he was walking on the road he may have got hit by a vehicle/plow truck and the person/people stopped and seen that they hit and killed Joe and didn’t want to get in trouble and picked him up and disposed of him. These are the only things that I really think that could have been possible

    Gina says: The “Justice for Joe” movement has been pushing hard because we want answers. We love Joe and we want to know what happened to him.

    Kelly says: How come you have 2 groups!?!?! first you had In Support of Joe, then you create Justice for Joe. By all means I am in Support of Joe and want to know his where abouts as well. You aren’t pushing, Gina, you are accusing and finger pointing with no real eveidence or proof. You are just going by hear say and then when its time to back your theories up you come up with an excuse. What Justice are you looking for, cause I know for sure Joe was alive and well the last I seen him, and the polygraphs proved it.

    Gina says: I’m going to beg here. If you could contact me privately via email at ellenville88@gmail.com, I’d appreciate it. As you are concerned about JP’s safety, there are some things that can be offered to him which will guarantee his safety. But I need to talk to you privately. PLEASE, I’m asking you with every fiber of my being, PLEASE EMAIL ME at ellenville88@gmail.com.

    Kelly says: What can you offer, JP that the State Police can’t!?!?!

    Gina says: For Chrissakes, Mr. Marks! Just get it out in the open if you didn’t actually kill that boy! What’s worse 3 years in prison or 25 years of running scared? Maybe it’s all starting to balance out for you. And indeed, I am just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks too.

    Kelly says: Now you are trying to implicate Wades father, you really are reaching and definitely throwing crazy theories out there. You really need to stop and think what you are saying and doing. Not a good look for you.

    Gina says: NOT ONE OF THESE GUYS HAS PUBLICLY SHOWED ANY REMORSE OR TENDENCY TO HELP JOE’S FRIENDS OR FAMILY COPE WITH THIS.

    Kelly says: Are you kidding me, I know that I have spoken to John Helt(Joe’s Lil Brother) after Joe went missing. And you keep saying Joe’s friends, guess what? I am Joe’s friend and always will be, unlike you, claiming that Joe consoled you in your time of need. I really don’t recall Joe talking about you or even seen talking to you in school, Gina. Plus I just was asked to sit down with Beth and tell our story about that night, and she knows and seen & felt my emotions. Unlike you have, Gina. So please stop making up these lies about all of us, not just us 3, but everyone you keep adding to your list. Like German, Wade’s father, JP’s father or judge, Armando(Mundo), Vernon Watson, Tyrone Walker, Walter Diaz and a few others.

    Gina says: So we’re throwing theories out there which are not exactly uneducated theories. They are EDUCATED theories…and we’re casting them out there to see what FITS best.

    Kelly says: Uneducated to the fullest and ridiculous theories. You can make all the theories you like, just stop posting them on the internet with our names.involed. What you are doing is not right in our eyes and Joe’s family plus the public eye.

    Gina says: A profile of Kelly shows that he is the more violent one. And Kelly was more connected to vilent crime according to some

    Kelly says: My profile doesn’t show that I am a violent person, I don’t have one voilent offence against me or on my rap sheet. Again, you are saying hear say, according to some. And who is that some, Gina!?!?! Please do tell, we all are waiting…

    Gina says: There may be police corruption. Some people like to jab that certain individuals in the police department may have been involved.

    Kelly says: I really do highly doubt that, corruption of what!?!?!, its a mising person case.

    Gina says: There maybe have to be a sacrificial lamb to get this going…but who’s volunteering?

    Kelly says: Nobody is, this is not a game. We want to know the truth of what happen to Joe without your sacrificing tactics or making someone volunteer to lie about what happen with Joe. This is why you are not involed in the Support of Joe anymore. You have good intentions in finding Joe, but a horrible way of going about it.

    Gina says: People close to each of the three have stated that Joe is buried on the Marks’ property. And I do think that Wade’s father is involved in it.

    Kelly says: Again, you are going on hear say. I never ever said anything like that, not even joking would I say something like that and I am sure the other 2 never ever said that as well. Wade’s dad has no involvement in this. How dare you try to implicate Mr.Marks. You are demented

    Gina says: How does JP fit in with the theory that Wade and Kelly had a sexual relationship which Joe accidentally discovered? JP and Joe could have been in the lodge while Kelly and Wade went out to the car to get more beer or weed. What’s taking them so long ? Hey Joe, why don’t you go see where the heck they are. Joe goes out, sees the windows of the car all steamed over, figures they’re smoking, opens the door and …. well …. gets an eye full. They, especially Kelly, try to convince him that he didn’t see what he thinks he saw. Joe’s not stupid. Hence the argument. They’re trying to make sure he keeps his mouth shut. Hey, btw…didn’t they recently legalize gay marriage in Vermont or something?

    Kelly says: There was no sexual activity that night at all, I really can’t believe you would even suggest something like that. You got to be heavily medicate, Gina to think or suggest that

    Gina says: There’s always the fact that the three have worked together to preserve their story which really says alot.

    Kelly says: Its no story, we told the truth and all 3 of us took and passed a polygraph test with no inconclusive answers from anyone of us. Adminstrated by the NYS Troopers (BCI) at their headquaters. Which really says alot and proves our innocense. By the way, I don’t know JP or ever hung out with him before and after Joe’s diappearance, I was just getting a ride in his car. Matter of fact, when I was stripper fishing in Eddyville, I seen him catch herring by the dam, and he walked right by me, not even knowing who I was. He doesn’t know me, that night was the first time I ever hung with him. That is how much we work together, and for Wade, I haven’t seen or talked with him for many many moons.

    Gina says: Now, here’s an afterthought: Maybe Wade’s father was distributing drugs for his drug-dealing bike-gang in the 1980′s, and John LaForge was in turn his “next in line”, taking quanities from Mr. Marks to sell to the younger crowd at places like Mt Cathalia

    Kelly says: I never seen Mr.Marks ever do or deal drugs, you should be a shamed of yourself to even say that about his father. I know he like to ride his bike, but I never heard he was in a bike gang or wore patches. If that is true, what is the name of the bike gang since you seem to know so much.!?!?!

    Gina says: If you can wait until the middle of the month, his picture, along with Wade’s and Kelly’s will hopefully be on the front page of the local newspapers.

    Kelly says: And please tell us why, I think I know why. Cause you and your bf Sherry Schwartz(who you went to elmentary with) started brain storming and tried to say I told Sherry in school that Joe was dead. I am pretty sure that is the reason. If so, the State Police know Sherry and I never had class together as she claims and stated, plus I never had Wade in any of my classes either. I was just informed that Sherry is not credible and they don’t believe her story. I mean why would you believe her story. How come she never told a friend that I told her that!?!? How come the teacher in the room didn’t ask what was going on or other students see what was going on when I walked Wade out the classroom, was Sherry the only one in class with Wade and I !?!?! What you 2 have done and are doing is really out of line and sinistar.

    Gina says: The person who talked on this thread saying that the names of the three were about to be included on the front page of the newspaper was none other than Kelly Diaz’s best friend. So I’d put no weight into his claims at all..

    Kelly says: Did my best friend tell you that, Gina.Who & Why the hell would he say that if he was my best friend as you claim!?!?! You post that our pictures will be in the paper soon, then say you would not put any weight in his claims. You don’t make any sense.

    Gina says: Kelly abandoned the property when he couldn’t pay the taxes and ownership was turned back to the town. They confiscated the property in lieu of taxes. The old trailer that he lived in was hauled away and the property is just vacant now.

    Kelly says: I rented that property, how could I owe taxes on it. Serious. Ask J.Sherry or his mother. They know, my mother rented that land.

    Gina says: It’s amazing how we, as average citizens, can see how the three should be considered suspects but LE can’t. It’s insane. And to each of these players…..remember that there is NO statute of limitations on MURDER. And yes, it WAS a murder. One person may have murdered Joe, but several were a part of the situation

    Kelly says: Now how do you know he was murdered and by who, seems like you have all the answers.I am not worried and for sure that Joe wasn’t murdered by us 3. I sleep well at night, but I do always wonder where he went or what happen to him. I always talk to anyone who asks me about that night.

    Gina says: I’m sure some people already feel the three are guilty. Myself included. It’s hard to draw any other conclusion based on we know.

    Kelly says: No, people don’t feel that way, Gina, only you do and the ones you have brain washed with those crazy theories of yours. I can’t make everyone believe me or us, but I know many people feel the opposite of you, Gina. Even much of your classmates feel that you are going about this the wrong way and left the group on Facebook cause the way you run things. And alot of your classmates don’t feel the way you do either.

    Gina says: It’s frankly quite amusing that one of the three and his little group of “minions” keep creating fake profiles on this and other pages in order to post a lot of crap, trying to take the focus away from our work. It makes me laugh so hard.

    Kelly says: You are the one who does that and have conversations with yourself like you are 4 different people talking amung one another. You slipped up on your posts and it shows. Bet you wish you could have deleted that post, but no deleting on that blog.You can laugh all you want, but this isn’t a game, this is about my friend Joe and u keep claiming that I murdered him. Not something I am laughing about. But I see you like to laugh and taunt people like this means nothing to you. That is why I created this to show people what you are saying and doing to us with no real evidence, all hear say as you claim.

    Gina says: We are searching for the truth. Clues keep coming in and we’re following them as they do.

    Kellys says: How come you are the one receiving clues and not the NYS BCI!?!?! And why aren’t you tell (BCI)Thomas Fortuna about them. When I just spoke with him about Sherry saying on CBS News that we told her Joe is dead. He said, you know what Kelly, with them girls saying that on National TV, guess how many leads or tips I got on my desk from that. Nada, Zero. So where are all your clues coming from and why with hold info from the (BCI).!?!?!

    Gina says: Maybe Joe knew something about the police being involved in something bad and the they did away with him…and then used the the three boys as decoys but never prosecuted them causing the whole thing to hang in limbo for eternity. Maybe those three got pardoned from something else in return for their role in helping cover up Joe’s murder, even if they didn’t actually do it

    Kelly says: You really have some imagination. Stop and think what you are saying

    Gina says: Is it possible that the two other boys were there to subdue Joe Helt while John LaForge injected him with a lethal dose of cocaine and heroine supplied by connections of corrupt father/judge? Could it be that Joe had accidentally learned too much about this? Or perhaps just a bad drug deal.

    Kelly says: Drug deal on top of the mountain in the middle of no where!?! Com’on now, and we subdued, Joe. No how, No way is this every possible, just theories thought up by someone who has no real intentions for the truth

    Gina says: it’s always the most calm before the storm …… watch out boys …… it’s coming …. fast and hard. You can run, but you cannot hide.

    Kelly says: No one is running or hiding, you seem to know so much about Joe being murdered, sounds like you have something to do with it. How do you know he was murdered!?!?! You keep saying and being amid about it

    Gina says: Joe did leave the party with these three. He was seen leaving the party with the three and the three do not deny this fact. One hour before he left with them he was seen arguing with them off to the side of the building where the party was taking place. After this point Joe asked a friend for a ride home (he didn’t see or hear the argument.) but his vehicle was full and he couldn’t give Joe a ride home

    Kelly says:How could Mundo not see or hear the arguement. Let me quote you” Joe and Kelly were arguing with one another where we were putting hands in each others face and people feared it was gonna get physical and everyone started backing up. Well how come Joe didn’t tell Mundo what just happened or how come Mundo didn’t see or hear the argument. Cause there was no argument. You know someone at the party would have mentioned that to Mundo, police or someone.

    Gina says: Not one hothead went and confronted one of them and tried to beat the truth out of him

    Kelly says: Yes, that has happened to me when I was 16. I had N.Wolfe, J.Kreco, T.Chennyfield and I think K.Richmond. But one of them asked me to step out a friends(Rolando Florez) house. I did so, thinking one of them wanted to talked to me and he walked me to the side of the building by the parking lot and that is when they all popped out and wanted me to get in the car. I refused to go, that is when Ty threw me on the car and started threatening me and all of them swarmed me. Lucky there were some poeple watching. Even Ty’s ex wife Johanna seen it and said what he did to me on the Facebooks In Support of Joe. So that is no lie.

    Gina says: Anyway, why aren’t people talking more about those other guys and where they might be or what they might be up to

    Kelly says: You want to know why, cause they know we proved & told the truth and definitely don’t hide from anyone. I see a lot of your classmates and they still say hi and smile or shake my hand and talk with me.

    Gina says: These guys are supposedly confirmed drug dealers, and drug dealers have been known to rat each other out in a second.

    Kelly says: Well your theory about ratting each other out in a second is wrong. So you can delete that theory, cause its been 25 years and that has not and will never happen. Is it okay for you to sit here and say we are confirmed drug dealers? Well how about I say you are a confirmed and convicted felon, was stole almost a half a million dollars($400.000) from your job, Those people trusted and believed in you Gina and that is how you treat them back. You lied to them about stealing money from their company. Why should anyone of us believe your theories now. You deceived other who trusted in you before, now you want people to believe & trust you again!?!?!

    Gina says: Yes, someone came forward who witnessed the argument. That’s how we found out about the argument.

    Kelly says: Thats funny, how come the State Police never mentioned that to me or even question me about a fight. They did ask me on the polygraph, if anyone of us had got into a fight with Joe. I told them no and the polygraph showed I was being honest.

    Gina says: Maybe I’ve watched too much CSI!

    Kelly says: Way to Much !!!! You’re about to go blind. Oh wait, you are blind, blind to the facts and truth that is.

    Gina says: It does not appear that JP or Kelly have done much with their lives since. They’re not pillars of the community. Neither is a lawyer, a doctor, a dentist or even a veterinarian.

    Kelly says: What have you done with your life, Gina. Don’t come on here trying to judge us when your closet is filthy. You’re a convicted felon who stole over $400,000 close to a half million dollars. How much drugs was you snorting and smoking. That is an awful lot of money. So look who is talking who has done much with their life. I never claimed to be any of them

    Gina says: If I’m not mistaken, Kelly refers to those of us that post here and on facebook as being an “angry mob”

    Kelly says: When have I ever said that!?!?! There is no mob, Gina, just you and Sherri. I definitely don’t consider you an angry mob. But I do refer to you as a(what rhymes with hunt) You don’t even know me, just my name. Have you ever said hi to me!?! NO

    Gina says: Unlike the three, Armando has answered all questions, has been upfront and honest about everything and he is not the last person Joe was with when he disappeared. So yes, we back Armando

    Kelly says: Where do you get your info from, maybe if you took the time out to get to know me and be civil and no finger pointing, then maybe you and I could’ve been talking and me telliing you what happen that night. But you know more than us 3 and the police, you have all the answers already as we can see. We have complied above and beyond with everyone except you. You say JP doesn’t help, well I just got off the phone with Heidi Wagner with the Search & Rescue from Sams Point. She told me that JP was and is very helpful and she can verify that for anyone. So please stop making up lies and spreading them around like a bad germ. Karma is gonna bite you in the ass for what you’re doing. Now you say you back, Mundo. But before you said he should be investigate as well. Which one is it. I see you will go to great lengths to try and have us charged for murder.without seeking the TRUTH, but the truth is here and always will be.

    Gina says: Kelly Diaz killed Joe… Everyone knows this in their heart, had the police conducted a proper interview they would have known. I hope he burns in hell for what he’s done.

    Kelly says: What have I done that I really deserve to burn in hell!?!?! Careful what you wish for, what comes around goes around. Karma is a motherfu@ker

    Gina says: Actually it’s never been a secret who the people are behind the Justice for Joe movement (myself being one of them) and my name is already on this thread in previous comments so saying it again isn’t a big deal. I have no problem putting my name to anything I say. Gina Schuster !!!

    Beth says: I honestly don’t care if someone is making any of them a little uncomfortable…The fact is my nephew is missing….25 years have gone by. 25 years of not having him in our lives. It isn’t fair to him or to the people who love him. While I refuse to point fingers on this page I will say that I am sure…with every breathe that I take that at least one of the three know what happened to him.I don’t recall any of the 3 coming to my sister’s house showing concern while she sat and waited for that phone call…So if for some reason they have had to deal with some scrutiny in their sad little lives….. SO BE IT!!!

    Kelly says: I never and still don’t feel uncomfortable, maybe when I saw Tracy cause she was on a war path when she seen me and would blurt and yell stuff at me that was hurtful, she use to be very nice to me, then she hated me. I would have went to Joe’s mothers but she wasn’t very happy to see me, even when I was hanging by Riches where she worked, she would stare at me with the evil face. I wish she was alive so I could talk to her, but she knows the truth now and I bet she is shaking her head at the way Gina has been saying these things about us doing to her son. I know she knows the truth now and so does Beth. And when it is time for me to stand in front of god and be judged, I know I will not be judge for being a murderer or witness to a murderer. I proved and still will prove my innocense, that is why I created this page. I have nothing really to be remorseful about, cause the last I seen Joe he was alive and well and walking. But I do feel for his family too, it has to be hard to lose a family member and never see him again and wonder what really happen to him or where he went. Not a very good feeling

    I see you will post lies without finding out the facts & truth first. This is Kelly Diaz and I am here to say that everything Gina Schuster is telling you all is straight bold face lies and theories. I am here to put a stop to this and try her in court for defamation & slander. 1 – She is telling people that I was telling people the car was never stuck, well guess what, it sure was, cause Heidi Wagner of the Search & Rescue Team from Sams Point (845 647 3123)just told me that two local fireman from Cragsmoor helped JP retrieve the car the next following day around 5pm and she can verify the fireman and truth about the car being stuck. Plus she can verify that we have been very cooperative in finding Joe and answering questions. 2 – Gina and her friend Sherri Schwartz started brainstorming and had Sherri agree to say that I told her in class that Joe was never coming back and dead. I never had Sherri in my classes and she was 2 grades above me and the school records show that her and I never had any class together.Plus I just learned that Gina & Sherri were trying to coerce a classmate into saying she was in the class with Sherri as well. So you can see what type of people I am dealing with and what lengths she will try and twist the truth into something that never happened or have us charged for murder. 3 – Gina Hetcher (Schuster) is a convicted felon who stole & defrauded almost a half a million dollars($400,000) from her job. She betrayed, lied and defrauded her job and was tried and convicted for 10 years, only did 4 and got out on good behavior. Instead of trying to build her reputation back up in an honorable way, she’s resorting to sensationalism & mucking about someone else’s sorrows. 4 – Gina always say we have new clues & info or we have a new witness in negotiations. Well why are you the only one receiving tips and clues or having witness coming to you and not the NYS BCI. Why are you with holding info from the NYS BCI Thomas Fortuna (845 626 2863)! How come he has never said anything to us about your tips, clues or witnesses! Cause he knows its all fabricated by you, Gina. 5 – If you spent less time on this computer finger pointing and accusing and roll your butt up there and help us search we might have found some clues. But your to lazy, all you want to do is accuse people without any real evidence to back up your claims, all hear say or he said & she said. 6 – We all have complied above and beyond with the NYS BCI and a few other important people looking for Joe. Plus all 3 of us pass a polygraph test with no inconclusive answers from any 3 of us. So if any of us 3 were lying about anything don’t you think the lie detector would have picked it up! I could see the speculation if one of us passed, but all 3 of us passed 7 – Gina was ready and willing to do a documentary on Joe’s case and tell her theories & lies on the documentary. But when she found out that I was gonna be a part of the documentary, she changed her mind and told the lady Trish Gillespie (203 770 8824) that she didn’t and wouldn’t be a part of the documentary and that Trish wasn’t allowed to use her name in the documentary. The reason she changed her mind is cause she thought that none of us would stand up and argue against her bold face lies & theories and actually come out and tell our side of the truth. She thought we would just tuck our tails and lay down. I don’t hear a peep out of Gina anymore, now that I just exposed her for a fraud and proved her to be a liar.

    We told the truth and still do to this day. I just wanted people to see what she has been saying and doing. So I will address her this way, so she can see what I have to say about her comments and theories. I miss Joe too, he is a friend of mine and I really do hope he is alive and well. I always think about Joe and where and what the hell happen. I would love to know just as much as his family. One true fact here is that not 1 of us harmed Joe. Here is a prayer I believe in. “Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place. Stand with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the sheild of faith with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one(Gina)”. I am sorry I was there that night with Joe, but I can assure you that he was alive and well the last we seen him and we proved that. God Bless Us All !!!

    If you like to read some more click on the link below.

    http://coldnomore.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/kelly-diaz-speaks-out-you-arent-jessica-fletcher

  2. letsfindthem says:

    Very interesting Truth, I’ve read your whole comment. I could put it above if you’d like, just let me know!

  3. Truth says:

    Gina just had my other website suspended due to her complaining to the blog Support. Saying I was using hate speech>>> http://joehelttruefacts.wordpress.com/
    She just doesn’t want people to see the lies & what she has done or own up to it. She has had 5 of my websites shut down. But I have a better one up again and will post it up again soon,

  4. gschust says:

    WITNESS STATEMENT HEATS UP JOSEPH HELT CASE: JOE WAS KILLED BY THOSE WHO WERE LAST WITH HIM IN A FIGHT OVER MARIJUANA
    **Proof that the allegations are true**

    One of the three told her “Joe is dead. He’s not coming back.”
    She gave this statement to school officials back in 1987 immediately after it happened. She was told that her statement would be given to law enforcement. She recently reached out to Joe’s family after they asked for any witnesses who may have given testimony years ago to please contact them so that Joe’s family could make sure that any and all available information was in the hands of law enforcement. The witness gave a signed, sworn statement to the lead investigator, who told her “We believe your statement is true.”

    Read the story, watch the video of the witness interview with CBS NEWS:
    VIDEO OF THE WITNESS’ INTERVIEW WITH CBS NEWS:

    CBS NEWS ARTICLE:
    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/02/seen-at-11-finally-a-break-in-a-quarter-century-old-upstate-n-y-cold-case/

    Police state “We believe your statement”- direct quote to the witness AND WITNESS OFFERED TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH TO PROVE THE ACCURACY OF HER STATEMENT (something that is in process and will be done as soon as the arrangements are made. She is doing so ON HER OWN accord, to prove that she is telling the truth!)

  5. gschust says:

    THIS IS GINA AND THERE IS ONE BIG PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THESE “COMMENTS” THAT KELLY CLAIMS “GINA WROTE”…..

    I DIDN’T WRITE IT! MOST of the comments that you’ve copied and pasted here, CLAIMING I wrote them were ACTUALLY written by people calling themselves “Punky Brewster”, “LB Woods”, “Nebula”, “Angelofmerz” and several other online profiles, NONE OF WHICH WERE CREATED BY ME. A man by the name of Fred admitted on that blog that he created several of these profiles. There was a LONG, on going conversation between SEVERAL people on the blog site where Kelly copied these comments. People besides myself had a lot to say, had a lot of theories and shared them, at great length, on the site. To see the whole blog and to see that I DIDN’T WRITE most of what Kelly claims that I wrote, go to http://charleyross.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/joseph-helt/.

    CREATING WEBSITES FULL OF SEXUALLY EXPLICIT COMMENTS AIMED AT ME INCLUDING THE WORDS “COCK” “GURGLE” “SLUT” AND “FUCK”, INCLUDING PICTURES, LYING BY SAYING THAT I SAID THINGS I NEVER SAID, WRITING MY NAME ALL OVER WEBSITES, CALLING ME “MS. PARAPLEGIC” (BECAUSE I’M IN A WHEELCHAIR), TALKING ABOUT ISSUES IN MY PAST FROM OVER A DECADE AGO AND CLAIMING THAT I CONCOCTED A STORY WITH SHARI SCWARTZ IS NOTHING MORE THAN CYBERSTALKING, DEFAMATION AND SLANDER. YOUR WEBSITES KEEP GETTING SHUT DOWN BECAUSE YOU ARE CYBER STALKING AND VIOLATING RULES OF THE WEBSITES.

    WANT TO TALK ABOUT CRIMINAL PASTS? LET’S TALK ABOUT YOUR TIME IN COUNTY JAIL, TIME SPENT THERE WHEN JAY GRECO WAS THERE WITH YOU. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE JUDGMENT THAT CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY JEREMIAH FLAGGHERTY PUT AGAINST YOU FOR UNPAID FEES FOR REPRESENTATION FOR CRIMINAL CHARGES.

    You talk about me bashing you online, talk about how unfair my treatment of you has been and yet here you and your girlfriend are TELLING FLAT OUT LIES, coping comments made by other people and claiming that they were my posts WHEN THEY WEREN’T. And taking this personal vengeance against me to the level that you have is not only cyber stalking, not only using hate speech against my spirituality (and YES I’m a Pagan, I’m a witch. SO WHAT. Get over it. Attacking someone’s spirituality is hate speech), it’s enough already.

    And as to Shari Schwartz’s statement. SHE CONTACTED ME ON MAY 29TH VIA EMAIL ASKING IF SHE COULD TALK TO ME ABOUT SOMETHING REGARDING JOE’S DISAPPEARANCE. (Want to see the email???) AND PRIOR TO THIS I WAS NEVER FRIENDS WITH HER. SHE WAS A GIRL WHO ALSO WENT TO ELLENVILLE HS, BUT I NEVER SPOKE TO HER OR HUNG OUT WITH HER. She gave me her phone number, I talked to her and put her in touch with the PI working with Joe’s family, who IMMEDIATELY, THAT SAME AFTERNOON, put her in touch with the SP investigator in charge of Joe’s case. Shari offered to take a polygraph to prove that her statement is true BECAUSE SHE’S TELLING THE TRUTH. Whether her statement is believed or not doesn’t matter, because she’s truthful and is willing to prove so. I had nothing to do with her coming forward and I had nothing to do with the content of her statement. SHE reached out to us. The PI put her in touch with the investigator. The end. And what did the investigators tell her??? “We believe your statement to be absolutely true, without a doubt.”

    And then there is the crap about my “poor innocent ex” who was put through hell by the embezzlement. And the fact that you don’t believe that my ex abused me.
    1) I was granted a divorce from that monster based on NYS Marital Law: Cruel and Inhumane Treatment. My ex admitted, in open court, to several instances where he abused me. LET ME REITERATE THAT FOR YOU…HE ADMITTED IN OPEN COURT TO SEVERAL INSTANCES OF ABUSE!

    2) The company filed a JOINT civil money judgment against BOTH myself AND MY EX for the embezzled funds. Why? Because they had a huge stack of emails where he used the knowledge of the embezzlement to BLACK MAIL me for a better settlement in the divorce.

    3) The IRS FOUND ALMOST $100,000 in checks that HE WROTE where HE spent the embezzled funds himself. HE was found to be RESPONSIBLE BY THE IRS for the embezzled funds and an IRS lien was also filed against him! BECAUSE OF THE CHECKS AND BECAUSE OF THE EMAILS they wouldn’t let him try the “innocent spouse relief” excuse.

    Enough is enough already Kelly. MOVE ON. I completely pulled out of the efforts to help Joe’s family over a month ago for several personal reasons. The biggest of which is that I was told in late July by my neurosurgeon that I am facing TWO 7 hour surgeries on my thoracic and lumbar spine, which includes taking out ribs and deflating a lung (during surgery). I am facing very long recovery time with these two surgeries and with my other disabilities getting worse, I just cannot help Beth and Jackie as I have for the last two years because right now I need to focus on my health. Obsessed much? Move the hell on already. And stop writing lies, stop claiming that I wrote all of this stuff when I DIDN’T.

    • SBS says:

      This is Shari & Gina is telling the truth. I contacted her. Wade did say that to me. No, I never said you confessed anything. No, I did not say we were in class together. Nor did I try to get anyone to lie & say they were in that class. This never happened. Not sure where you get your information from.You are being lied to. They are obviously trying to play you and you are falling for it . I was also told by those in charge of the case that others came to them with the exact same story (straight from ‘wade)but refused to sign a statement out of fear. I had two other people with me that also heard this being said. Trust,me when I tell you this is not helping you or Joes family.

      • Truth says:

        Sherri says: I never said you confessed anything. No, I did not say we were in class together.

        Kelly says: Oh really, then why did NYS BCI Mr.Fortuna come to my house this Aug with a written deposition, written from Sherri saying that I told her Joe was dead and we had a typing class in the basement, that is where I told you or you found out. Sherri and Gina really need to stop with all the lying. I don’t even know who Sherri is, never hung out with her or met her once before in my life. They know what they are doing is wrong

      • gschust says:

        Kelly, you are truly mistaken and have your facts completely wrong. Shari went over her statement before she signed it and she knows what she said in that statement. She NEVER said that you told her Joe was dead. She stated that WADE said this to her! You have a way of turning things around to suit your own needs. Shari knows what she wrote in her statement and I’m sorry, but YOU are mistaken.

      • SBS says:

        I have that deposition. No where does it say you confessed to anything. It also states that wade told me this in the room where Mr Lehman taught typing in the basement. Mr L. Had retired years before this. Kelly, all the time you spend obesessing on this is time you taken away from your family.

      • Truth says:

        After 25 years, Schwartz said she can’t forget the high school classmate who vanished on the mountain near Ellenville in January 1987. Helt is listed as a missing person, but Schwartz said he was really murdered in a fight over marijuana. She claims two of the last people to see Helt alive essentially confessed to her at the high school shortly after he vanished.

        I guess this is a lie too, and I quote you, Sherri says: “She claims two of the last people to see Helt alive essentially “confessed” to her at the high school shortly after he vanished.”

        You two keep changing your stories like I do my daughter’s diapers everyday..lol

        We can all see you two are in co-hoots and are full of poop.. NYS BCI ruled Sherri out and said she wasn’t credible. Neither is Gina, with 3rd party claims.

      • Rachel says:

        Sherri, This is Rachel, you know..Im the girl you thought it was cute to taunt online with your little waving at me comments and how i have my shorts in a bunch. I would hope that you would know what it means to really care about someone, maybe not, because if you did, you would have understood why i came to his defense and wouldn’t have tried to be “the mean girl”. The police came to my house and showed the statement where you said 2 of the guys and where you named Kelly. Why wouldn’t he think you said him when he was showed a statement and told him by police what you said about him. That is why the police came here to question him about your statement. Let’s get something straight…. For years he was talked about and slandered and had horrible accusations and finger pointing brought against him. So even though i don’t agree with everything he writes and all of his pages..I do believe that 2 months of him writing this to defend himself and having people know the truth is nothing in comparison to what has been written about him. Might i add, He is a wonderful family man and an amazing father… So don’t sit there and don’t insinuate how much time he needs to spend with his family. He does a wonderful Job.

      • JennMadera09091990 says:

        I wasn’t alive in 1987 & ran into this case when on google one day. I have been alive since 1990, & realized when I was 13 years old that I have psychic abilities. & I know for a fact that Gina & Shari are telling the truth about what happened to Joe, & I know Wade (or one of those boys) said that Joe was dead & that he was never coming back. I know those 3 boys killed him & a government official is protecting them from jail. I will tell you right now that those 3 boys will not be protected for much longer, I can see that happening now, & I can also see this going on the news Nationally, even for the midwest to see. So I suggest for Kelly Diaz to quit throwing a hissy fit when the truth is revealed because it only shows that Kelly did have something to do with Joe’s disappearance, especially after me reading what he wrote & the way he wrote it, yes, I know he had something to do with this. & if you wanna contact me, let me know, ‘n I will give y’all my email & phone number, I have nothing to hide, including my visions that I see & my Facebook page.

  6. Truth says:

    Gina says: A man by the name of Fred admitted on that blog that he created several of these profiles.

    Kelly says: Show us where Fred admitted on the blog that he created those profiles. IP addy’s don’t lie, Gina. Its like a finger print. We all know that was you and Sherri talking all that bs.

    Fred never admitted anything on there, they shut the comments down when I started to expose them on there and even deleted one of my comments. There is no administrator for there, unless its you Gina. That is probably why my comment was removed, she always does that to my comments

  7. gschust says:

    Kelly, The website is called ‘THE CHARLEY PROJECT”, RUN BY A MISSING PERSON’S NONPROFIT GROUP CALLED “THE CHARLEY PROJECT”. I have absolutely nothing to do with that blog, that website or that organization. Meaghan Good is the person who runs that blog and she is the one who removed your post. The ONLY reason it was removed is because it was full of name calling, hate speech, etc.

    And YES, IP addresses would show you that I AM NOT NEBULA, PUNKY BREWSTER, NH, LB WOODS, ON AND ON AND ON.
    Here is Fred’s post where he ADMITS that he created numerous profiles:

    jan16th1987 Says:
    November 20, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Actually, we can PROVE that YOU are all of those profiles Nebula/Fred/Jim/NH/Kirk/Punky (need I go on?) so cut the crap. You used the same Gravatar profile to post here on this thread under ALL of those profiles. You idiot. All anyone has to do is put their cursor over the little box next to each post and the SAME PROFILE COMES UP FOR ALL OF THEM!

    1. Punky Brewster, Nebula, Fred, Kirk Douglas and Tonya Static all belong to the SAME Gravatar, which is “rudemonk.” Take your cursor and place it over the little colored/decorative square in the TOP RIGHT of any post belonging to any of these profiles and you’ll see what I mean.
    2. Rudemonk’s Twitter account is Ishan Mibelu http://twitter.com/#!/rudemonk
    3. LOOK at the letters of “Ishan Mibelu”-you can spell “Nebula” from them

    THEN THERE IS THIS BOMBSHELL:
    4. Three months ago Fred already admitted that he was Punky Brewster and that he was going to create several other profiles to “draw JP, Wade and Kelly out” (yeah, you forgot that you emailed that you moron!)

    His exact words in an email on Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM, fredrick weissflach: Let me also tell you that right now that I am posting under the alternate name of Punky Brewster on Joe’s blog in the Charley Project. I stopped using my own name there, but now you’ll be able to follow my posts. You’re the only one who knows this.

    You crossed the line when you attacked Joe’s friends and family. So quit pretending already….or better yet, go somewhere else and talk amongst all of you MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES already.

    Nebula Says:
    November 20, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Hee hee!
    I’m very surprised that it took you so long to figure out who I am…and even more surprised that you think it matters. I was aware of the avatar long ago. If I was really worried or concerned about it I wouldn’t have played around with my screen name.

    IP address: 98.15.186.36 (ARIN/RIPE) (Tag)
    Locale: [Wallkill, NY, USA] Wallkill, NY, USA / English

  8. gschust says:

    Kelly, look it’s time for a REAL conversation here.

    I think it is AMAZING that you are helping with the searches. Keep up the great work.

    And I have NO PROBLEM with you creating a website to tell your side of the story. Go for it. I encourage you all the way! But keep my name out of it. What I DO have a problem with is the mud slinging, Don’t use my name, don’t make comments about me using any “innuendos” (ie: Ms. Paraplegic), don’t post comments supposedly “from Gina”, don’t make snide and hate speech filled comments about the fact that I’m a Pagan, stop using things from my past,(you have one too, don’t forget!), stop using foul sexually explicit comments, stop threatening to lie to the police about people, stop creating nasty pictures with my name plastered all over them and most of all, stop attacking a witness, Shari Schwartz, who bravely came forward with true information. And stop pushing issues like “where are these witnesses” who came forward with information. BETH gave their names, addresses and statements to the investigators. Some people even emailed information, so it’s not just a conversation, but a written statement sent to Joe’s family. Names of witnesses are not going to be given out. They exist, their statements and information were all given to investigators by BETH.

    Tell your story about that night. Tell what happened. But leave ME and leave SHARI out of it. Stop doing to Shari and I what you complained about everyone doing to you in the first place. If you make a website without anything about me, without anything about Shari, without nasty pictures, comments or innuendos (and that includes talking “about” us without using our names), your website will be left alone.

    It’s time to stop all of this Kelly. I am so physically ill right now due to my disabilities and I cannot physically deal with this stuff anymore. THAT is why I pulled out of the efforts to find Joe over 2 months ago. I am living with serious physical damage to my spine, to my nervous system and to my joints because of my father and because of my ex and my pain level is through the roof.

    Enough is enough already. I’m sorry if you feel that anything written out there is an attack on you. I’m sorry if you feel offended. Many people have made statements about their beliefs on this case, yet I don’t see you attacking anyone else. Stop focusing on me and start focusing on YOU. Tell your story, about that night. Keep ME, keep SHARI out of it. Can you agree to all of this? If you can, and if you can create a respectable website, it won’t be shut down. What do you say? Ready to move forward?

  9. Rachel says:

    Gina,
    This is Rachel. Let me ask you something woman to woman, I hope you can be mature enough to do so. Lets be totally honest here. From day one you have accused Kelly of murder and said horrible horrible things about him. Now if you have ever read my posts and actually honestly read them, i have not always agreed with him, as a matter of fact a lot of his pages are just that…his pages. However, did you think that he was going to sit back and just let you say such horrible things about him and not defend himself. You called him a murderer!!! He since day one has complied.. you can sit here and say, no he hasn’t and he has not done this and not done that. You are wrong Gina 100% wrong. Jackie told me that she never specifically said that she accused him. Beth told me that in fact she said things about him but had realized that it was just easy enough to blame him. I heard about this case a couple years ago and i never looked into and brought it up. When you put Kelly’s home address up and told everyone we have a daughter and were we lived that’s when i stepped in. As a mother, did you honestly think i would sit back and let you put my family in jeopardy. Come on i know you are not that stupid. You wrote many times how Kelly would never come talk to you guys. Honestly Gina all you did was accuse. You never came to him like a human being. You never asked him. When he found out that Beth was Joe’s Aunt, He jumped at the chance to talk to her when Trish asked him like a human being. Honestly Gina that is all you ever had to do. It is what it is. Please don’t lie because im no fool. I know your Julie. That’s fine. I am going to answer your questions here that you wrote on the jfj site because i don’t feel that, that was the place for them. I am not 2 faced. If you really love someone you will stick up for them. You accused Kelly of doing things that i knew were bullshit. Did you expect him to call you hunny or sweety and just forget what you said after the years of slander that you did to him, honestly?? I speak to Jackie and Beth quite often. They know my motives. My motives are honest and pure. I dont get involved in Kelly’s pages. Believe it or not, believe what you want. I did get involved in the beginning because i thought what you were doing was very wrong, You never came out and asked Kelly the accusations you made. How about talking to him like an adult? Yeah some of his comments are stupid and wrong. Ill be the first to say it. Wont be the first time on here i have. After all the times YOU called him a murderer and god knows what else. He had to stand up for whats right. Let me ask you an question and i hope you really answer it. You state that if your friend Shari takes a polygraph then she must be telling the truth. So please tell me why if all three guys passed the polygraph test, How come you say they are lying?? Really how come?? Whats good for the goose Gina, whats good for the goose. Kelly would have been part of your cause from day one had you come to him and asked him. He is not this monster you told everyone he was. I don’t see how you think it is so easy to say get over it. You wrote my friend and told them that i date and had a baby with a murderer. Where do you get off thinking that, that is ok and we should just get over it??? Think about it GIna. Put yourself in someone else’s shoes for just a second. What you did was wrong. really wrong. You should have came to him from day one instead of making up stories and saying he did things he didn’t. Now listen i agree that in the start you meant to do something really good. You did great for Joe’s family by raising awareness and getting the case out there and putting him on the missing childs list. I think that is awesome. Somehow somewhere you took it to a whole other place. When your friends and people from that page are coming to me and apologizing for things they believed and things they said…Then you need to re evaluate what you said and did. Gina there are no two ways about it. You did some wrong things here. Own it. Be a woman and own it. That is it. I called you out on your past because i wanted you to feel for a minute what you had been doing to Kelly for years. I know you were bothered by it, don’t say different. You wouldn’t keep having his pages shut down. Like i said i don’t agree with everything he does. I really don’t. I just hope that you can sit back and think for a second and realize you did some real wrong here and please for once own it.

    • gschust says:

      Rachel,

      Woman to woman I am going to say this to you. yes, I do believe that your intentions are simply to support your loved one. I know you have nothing to do with Kelly’s pages. That is his thing, and his alone. Your intentions are purely to look out for your loved one. I know that. And I completely respect you for that.

      Let me address your concerns about my comments and posts. MANY, many people outwardly have said (and written online) that Kelly, Wade and JP had something to do with Joe’s disappearance. That includes Joe’s family members, former classmates and citizens who were in the community then. There are several people who used the word murderer a lot. (I never used murderer. Have I been very vocal about my thoughts on this case? Yes. Have Jackie and Beth kept their own personal thoughts to themselves? Yes.) Read the Charley Project blog. Outright statements online, on the groups and on blog posts, many people stated these things. This is a case that has been in the news time and time again. When something is in the news, people will talk. That’s human nature. That’s what happens in every open investigation. Many people still call OJ Simpson a murderer to this day even though it was never proven that he is a murder. That’s what happens when a case is unsolved. Why is it that Kelly doesn’t attack, slander and defame all of the other people talking about this case online like he does to me????

      I was and am only going on information that was brought to Joe’s family about that night. And you don’t know the information that was given to Beth, Jackie and even Armando, direct, one on one conversation with witnesses who gave information about that night, information that points to foul play between Joe and the three. This information was put together and Beth has given it to the investigator recently. Witnesses names are not going to be given out. One person in particular was told “if you talk I will kill you” by someone closely connected to one of the three. This person is afraid to make a formal statement. One person even put their statement in an email to Joe’s family, including their phone number, name and email address. No one made up stories, information came to us and some of it was shared online.

      I NEVER put Kelly’s address up anywhere. I’ve said that Kelly and JP are still in the area. What the hell are you talking about? Answering someone’s question about whether or not any of the three have children…how is that negatively bringing your children into the picture?? I never emailed some friend of yours and said you were dating a murder. I’ve never talked about you at all. Shari has never posted on the Charley Project blog. And numerous, numerous people were on that blog saying things much worse than “murderer”. I NEVER said that Kelly or the others were involved in some sort of homosexual thing. LB said that on the Charley Project blog and Fred ran with it. Read what Nebula (aka Punky Brewster, Tonya Static, Fred, Sally, on and on) said. NONE OF THAT WAS ME!!! You’re taking things that others said and saying it was me. Where is my name attached to this?!? It’s not.

      Kelly has taken things to a level that is just out of control. It’s enough already. Using sexually explicit words, attacking my spirituality, and many other tactics are just down right wrong. You want to slam me for my past (which has nothing to do with Joe’s disappearance), remember that Kelly has things in his past too. Jay Greco was in county jail with Kelly at one point and Kelly has had a judgment/lien against him for several thousand dollars owed to criminal defense attorney Jeremiah Flagherty, judgments for unpaid child support and for unpaid taxes. So what?!? Just like my past, it has nothing to do with Joe. What is in my past, what is in Kelly’s past or Wade or JP for that matter. NONE of it is relevant.

      We did try to talk to Kelly way back in 2010 when we first started raising awareness for Joe. And offers have been posted everywhere throughout the last 2 years asking for any of the three to come and talk. Kelly did come to the group, he posted a comment on the page and then deleted it. And then German Florez came on the page taunting people (ie: saying to Johanna Gonzalez for example) as did several other friends of Kelly’s. Joe’s family asked to have these people blocked from the group and it was done for them. And in between it all, Vernon Watson got into it about Kelly and even got into it with Christina Helt. I’m including a copy of many things that were said so you can read it for yourself and see what I’m talking about.

      ____________________________________________________________________

      VERNON WATSON COMMENTS TO CHRISTINA HELT:

      Vernon Watson
      Kelly Diaz…..I got ur back against those fake ass J Helt…inspector gadget wannabees….letting them fools know they wont slander ur name on my watch…..
      Share · September 26 at 4:03pm via mobile ·

      Christina M. Helt well while ur at it perhaps u can help the inspector gadget wannabees find out what happened to my brother? since he’s such a good friend of urs…i’m just saying…
      September 26 at 4:09pm

      Vernon Watson Trust me….been there done that….for years…..I dont think they know….
      September 26 at 4:25pm

      Vernon Watson And I think its wrong that they keep slandering his name
      September 26 at 4:27pm

      Christina M. Helt somebody does…n there is certainly a very good lead…who else would they ask but the last 3 ppl seen with him?…n he’s been to jail b 4 (a short bid) y would he want to go back n do real time?…
      n they arn’t the only ones slandering his name…plenty of ppl in the community have helped along the way..
      September 26 at 4:30pm
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      VERNON WATSON GOING AFTER JACKIE AND JOHANNA GONZALES:

      Vernon Watson going after Jackie and Johanna Gonzales:
      Johanna Gonzalez Thank you to those listeners who finally had the courage to call in with the tip.
      18 hours ago ·

      Jackie Mennella But…if one heard…then so must have others..
      So where are you? SPEAK UP!! If anyone out there heard or saw any of this…and you now have your own children…think of how you would feel if it was one of them…SPEAK UP!!
      3 hours ago ·

      Vernon Watson I dont remember them arguing…..someones making shit up…….
      2 hours ago ·

      Jackie Mennella ‎…and, you were with them the whole time vernon?
      2 hours ago ·

      Vernon Watson ‎@ Jackie…..pretty much….I remember how wasted Joe was…..
      10 minutes ago ·

      ____________________________________________________________________

      VERNON ATTACKING JOE’S FAMILY:

      Gina Schuster
      Joe left a party on 1/16/1987 with Wade Marks, John LaForge and Kelly Diaz. These 3 made it home safely that night but Joe was NEVER seen again. What REALLY happened to Joe that night?!? Inconsistencies have been found, clues are coming forward and the FULL truth WILL be revealed. If anyone has any information on Joe’s disappearance, you CAN make an anonymous tip by calling 1-800-490-2267.
      Like · · 4 hours ago

      Vernon Watson And this little piggy cried wee…wee….wee…..was there a wolf involved…….
      4 hours ago ·

      Beth Churchill What is that supposed to mean?
      3 hours ago ·

      Dana Hillard that is so rude. Think what if it was ur family or friend missing u would do the same thing
      3 hours ago ·

      Margie Graham-Gray UN FRIGGEN BELIEVABLE!!! who is this vernon person?
      2 hours ago ·

      Susan Riley Sorbera That’s so RUDE Vernon…..maybe if you lost a child you would think twice about making stupid remarks.
      2 hours ago ·

      Shari Helt Evans Would Someone Please BLOCK that IDIOT ! Maybe VERNON needs to LEARN MANNERS before he’s allowed to POST ON JOE’S PAGE !
      about an hour ago ·

      Vernon Watson Maybe u guys should stop throwing fuckin peoples names out there…..Kelly is a dear friend of mine….so fuck up all and PLEASE….REMOVE ME…..TIRED OF SEEING THIS SHIT…
      34 minutes ago ·

      Vernon Watson Have a great fuckin life you losers
      34 minutes ago ·

      Marcia Blount She is only looking for answers in her sons disapperence-Dont disrespect her!!!She never accused anyone,she just stated the facts.Be more caring and understanding,shes a mother.Now,im just saying
      12 minutes ago ·

      Beth Churchill YOU CAN REMOVE YOUR SELF YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!
      5 minutes ago ·

      Vernon Watson Fuck u trailer park Beth…..fake ass inspector gadget
      about a minute ago ·

      Vernon Watson ·
      Ohhhhhhh….u little troll
      10 minutes ago

      Beth Churchill Bye Bye Vernon… you won’t be missed!
      13 minutes ago ·

      ____________________________________________________________________

      GERMAN FLOREZ TAUNTING THE GROUP:
      :
      German Florez
      S. T. F.U.A.I.! Deja S.D.L.
      December 1 at 12:55am

      German Florez Johanna-Where is your office located? i did’nt know you were a private investigator! I need help tracking someone down!
      December 4 at 5:20pm

      German Florez Hey Gina-maybe you can conjur up a spell or look into your crystal balls to see if you can figure anything out? have you ever even met Kelly or know anything about him?
      December 4 at 6:15pm

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      COMMENTS POSTED BY OTHERS ON THE GROUP EXPRESSING THEIR BELIEFS ABOUT JOE AND THE THREE:

      Jodi Kremers W.M.,K.M.,&JP.All the stories correspond together.They made sure when the police questioned them they had the same exact story.It was a blizzard that night.Just a week before Joe was up in Cragsmoor speaking to me on the phone at W.M.house .J.M.(W.M. sister called for him)I knew I should have gone to speak to him.Sad that I hadn’t.I have a picture I would like to share of Joe.I will post it soon.
      November 30 at 9:23am

      Debi Crawford Tucker Everyone needs to be interviewed again now, it’s hard to remember a lie you told 23 years ago, and to keep your story straight with several other people who you haven’t spoken to in 20 years.
      November 30 at 12:26pm

      Angelo DeJesus This is why i said the answers are within the people he was with……
      Saturday December 4 at 4:59pm

      Johanna Gonzalez
      I tend to lean more towards the rumor. There was a quarrel between him and KD. KD pushed him off the cliff. I’m sure you all remember that blizzard and all that snow that was in the mountains. If, he was pushed off the cliff, what are t…he chances of him being killed by landing on all that snow? I would think there is a higher chance of survival than death. My theory, there was this quarrel. Joe was killed whether it was by accident or on purpose. The guys freaked out and decided to take his body and dispose of it somewhere discreet. But where? My thoughts. In a body of water. They weighted his body down and drowned it. Far into the woods? I don’t know. After all that snow disappreared, someone would have found the remains. Think about it, we have alot of hunters and hikers in these mountains.See More
      Saturday December 4 at 5:04pm

      Johanna Gonzalez I do remember one night not too long after Joe’s disappearance, I heard my exhusband yelling outside. I looked out my window and he had KD pinned on the hood of a car and told him that if he found out that he had anything to do with Joe’s disappearance, he would kill him. He then let KD go and KD just walked away and didn’t say or do anything. Wouldn’t it be nice if these guys got locked up for the heck of it? I can guarantee on of them would say something. What are your thougts on all of this?
      Saturday December 4 at 5:12pm ·

      Johanna Gonzalez As someone people have mentioned before, these guys should all be questioned again. Yes, they might get in contact with each other and try to starighten their story out. However, they are not going to remember the details of what they said 20 something years ago. Someone is going to screw up somewhere.
      Saturday December 4 at 5:15pm

      Beth Churchill I just want to point out..the heavy snow did not start until the following night (Sat. night) after he did not show up for work at the Napanoch Auction Barn. But there was snow on the ground from a previous storm.I also believe that after all this time a hiker would have come up with SOMETHING. Which leads me to believe his body was moved..Hidden by someone.
      Saturday December 4 at 5:34pm ·

      Johanna Gonzalez If I end up dead or missing, you’ll all know who did it. lol
      Saturday December 4 at 5:38pm

      Johanna Gonzalez
      Let’s analyze this for a moment. Joe was with these guys on the night of his disappearance. There was a blizzard and their car got stuck. Joe went to seek help. 1. There was a heavy blizzard. 2. It was very late into the night–3-3:30 am. 3. Joe went alone to seek help. Question. Why didn’t one of his so-called friends go with him while the others waited in the car? Answer. Lies. All lies. This is what “THEY” told the cops. Then, there was the rumor.
      on Saturday 12/4 ·at 5:50pm

      Beth Churchill
      What’s interesting is not what people want to tell you. What’s interesting is what they are trying to hide. – Peter Sellars
      on Saturday December 4 at 6:10pm

      Beth Churchill Kelly Diaz,Wade Marks and JP LaForge all admitted to being with him that night, but do not admit to knowing what happened. People don’t just vanish..SORRY!
      Saturday December 4 at 11:25pm

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      CALLING KELLY, WADE AND JP “MURDERERS” WAS DONE NUMEROUS TIMES BY SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE CHARLEY PROJECT……Here are just a few excerpts for you to read:

      ON THE CHARLEY PROJECT:
      “NH”, which is “Nameless Hiker” (traced the user name, email address and & IP address. It’sDiane Westerback)- PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE LAST LINE OF HER COMMENT HERE:

      NH Says:
      October 24, 2011 at 11:32 pm

      You may be right. It seems unlikely that Joe could not get home as he was coherent and able bodied. I am only a few years bear the mountain, but I generally don’t see many people when I am out hiking however the area in question should be well covered and something should have shown up.

      I only know one of the three who is not malicious or connected to drugs.

      I would guess that the sinister nature is Diaz.

      CHARLEY PROJECT: FRED WEISSENFLACH:
      Fred Weissenflach says:

      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 22, 2011 at 12:16 am

      You’d think that a police chief who was a rookie or so at the time of Joe’s disappearance would want to seem like he gave a damn even if he didn’t. A policeman has got to understand the dynamics of implication and how he himself could be implicated if he doesn’t at least conjure up a believeable investigation. Apparently he hasn’t even done this? One thing I’ll bet on is that IF the police knew more than they claim or even were involved somehow, then probably no trace of Joe’s body will ever be found because they probably parted the Red Sea with their magic sceptre in order to pave the way for a bery thorough disposal of the body. Maybe Joe knew something about the police being involved in something bad and the they did away with him…and then used the the three boys as decoys but never prosecuted them causing the whole thing to hang in limbo for eternity. It’s like: What if I killed somebody and was put in charge of the investigation of their disappearance…and found a third party to appear like they MIGHT be suspect…but because I am in charge of the investigation nothing will ever happen to them. Know what I mean? There’s the limbo. Well, that’s just another “what if”. Maybe it was like, “Hey, you three! Bring Joe to me and I’ll do the rest.” Maybe those three got pardoned from something else in return for their role in helping cover up Joe’s murder, even if they didn’t actually do it. Wasn’t one of them the son of a local judge? What does that tell you?

      Which boy was sent away by his father a few weeks after Joe disappeared?

      Which boy’s father was a local judge?

      Which boy contacted which other boy about Joe’s disappearance 2 hours before anyone else noticed?

      MORE ANSWERS AND QUESTIONS:

      IT WAS WADE WHO CONTACTED LAFORGE.

      IT WAS LAFORGE’S FATHER WHO WAS THE JUDGE.

      IT WAS WADE’S FATHER WHO SENT HIM AWAY TO TENNESSEE.

      WHO WAS THE OLDEST? IT WAS LAFORGE (21), INDICATING HE MAY HAVE BEEN A DRUG SUPPLIER FOR YOUNGER TEENS.

      LA FORGE MAY HAVE “DRIVEN” (OR ORCHESTRATED) THE EVENTS OF THAT NIGHT. ODDLY ENOUGH, IT WAS HIS CAR THAT WAS DRIVEN TO THE FINAL STOP!

      Maybe Joe was going to say something about the father(judge) and son John LaForge, implicating something about drugs or corruption. Maybe the father decided that Joe had to disappear and conspired with his son to get it done, using some younger accomplices closer to Joe’s age to help reel him in. These two accomplices were the ones to leave the scene first (Joe having already been beaten to death or a similar fate, his body somewhere in that Subaru. Maybe Joe was given a lethal dose of a street drug supplied by LaForge to avoid any real bloodshed while the others held him down. Then the others left the scene leaving LaForge to dispose of the body.

      If the Subaru was actually abandoned at the intersection of High Pt Rd and Sams Pt Rd, then I have an idea of a perfect place to dispose of a body, a place so secret I couldn’t find it again after visiting it once in the early 90′s. A place so deep that I had to abandon it after going in just 50 or so and getting tired of crouching.

      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 22, 2011 at 9:46 am

      I think they supposedly left a short time before they got stuck, like an hour maybe. Ok… You have an older kid (LaForge) who is at least 4 years older than the others whose father is a local judge. He also owns the car. There is strong reason to believe that LaForge may have been supplying the younger guys at the party with alcohol and drugs because of his age. These younger guys all take off and one of them disappears. The one who disappears is the one who lives the farthest away. Wouldn’t one think that if these boys were on halfway good terms, why not invite Joe Helt to their houses which was just TWO miles away so he could call someone and get warm? If they weren’t on halfway decent terms with one another, why would they even be in a car together at 3AM on the far side of a frozen lake on top of a mountain in January? Why would they even be up there together? None of it adds up at all!

      Is it possible the judge (John LaForge’s father) put his son up to a murder, assuring him that nothing would ever come of it, and that his political leverage would shelter the son and his friends from any kind of investigation? Is it possible that the two other boys were there to subdue Joe Helt while John LaForge injected him with a lethal dose of cocaine and heroine supplied by connections of corrupt father/judge? Could it be that Joe had accidentally learned too much about this? Or perhaps just a bad drug deal.

      A few more questions and ideas come to mind:

      WHERE IS JUDGE LAFORGE TODAY? DOES HE HAVE ANY STAINS ON HIS RECORD? WHAT DOES HE DO WITH HIMSELF?

      WHERE ARE KELLY DIAZ, JOHN LAFORGE & WADE MARKS TODAY? AND IF WE DID A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THEM WHAT WOULD WE FIND? COULD WE RAISE A FEW DOLLARS TO DO AN EXTENSIVE ONLINE BACKGROUND SEARCH ON THESE PEOPLE? IN WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY HAVE BAD RECORDS IN ANY PLACES OTHER THAN ELLENVILLE.

      THERE WAS ONLY A SHORT TIME BETWEEN LEAVING THE PARTY AT MT CATHALIA AND THE ABANDONMENT OF THE CAR. IF JOE WAS SAVAGELY MURDERED, HIS FROZEN BLOOD WOULD BE FOUND IN THE SNOW BY DOGS AND OTHER ANIMALS DURING THE SEARCH. JOE COULD HAVE BEEN SUBDUED WITH DRUGS AND BEING HELD DOWN…AND THEN ASPHIXIATED OR STRANGLED. IF JOE WAS MURDERED, IT WAS EITHER CLEANLY SOMEWHERE NEAR SAM’S POINT OR POSSIBLY SAVAGELY SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT THEN WERE IS THE BLOOD? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT JOE WAS NEVER ACTUALLY IN THAT CAR AND THAT THE ABANDONMENT OF THE CAR WAS JUST A DECOY TO PROMPT A SEARCH IN THAT AREA AND TO SUPPORT THE STORY.

      AFTER THE DEATH OF JUDGE LAFORGE (JOHN’S FATHER), WILL THIS CASE START TO SUDDENLY UNRAVEL, WITH CERTAIN SOURCES AND WITNESSES SUDDENLY COMING OUT THE WOODWORK?

      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 22, 2011 at 9:58 am

      The others lived just two and a half miles away from the abandoned car. Is it possible that Joe was killed somehow in a nearby place known by these three and they left him there to be disposed of later? As I said in an earlier post, maybe Joe was not really in that car when it got stuck! Maybe his lifeless, or near-lifeless, body was already left somewhere else in or near Cragsmoor.

      This makes me think. Sometime back in the 80′s or 90′s there WAS a double or triple murder in a house in Cragsmoor involving a drug deal gone bad! Could there be a connection? Could that house be of any interest? Because maybe the others knew someone in that house and did some kind of business there. And of course if 21 year old John LaForge lived in Cragsmoor didn’t also his father, the judge?? Cragsmoor is generally quiet and peaceful. These things happened just a few years apart. That would also point to a connection.
      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 22, 2011 at 10:20 am

      THIS WAS TAKEN FROM A LIST OF INMATES IN NEW YORK: (Note that Walter Diaz and Kelly Diaz have the last name and that these other crimes were committed in or near Cragsmoor. Also note that these guys below were convicted of murder almost to the day on the anniversary of Joe’s disappearance.)

      Walter Diaz and Tyrone Walker were implicated in several drug-induced violent robberies during February 1993. Four of the unconnected crimes involved gun violence, and three people were killed. Because the February 18, 1993 murder of Michael Monsour in Cragsmoor, New York was connected with a drug distribution conspiracy, the pair were indicted on only that murder by the United States Attorney, who sought the death penalty. Both were convicted of the death penalty-eligible crime on January 17, 1996. The jury was unable to reach unanimity on the death penalty and defaulted to life imprisonment for both felons.[7][8] While eleven members of the jury voted life for Diaz, Walker was spared by a single holdout.[3] The convictions were affirmed on appeal to the Second Circuit.[9]

      DO THESE FACTS IMPLY A VAST DRUG RING IN CRAGSMOOR WHICH MAY INVOLVE LOCAL OFFICIALS? DID JOE HELT KNOW TOO MUCH? ONE OF THE BOYS HE WAS WITH WAS THE SONE OF A LOCAL JUDGE, AND ANOTHER HAS THE SAME SURNAME AS A CONVICTED KILLER WHO COMMITTED MURDERS IN THE SAME TOWN.
      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 22, 2011 at 11:00 am

      JOHN LAFORGE WAS LIKELY A SMALL TIME DRUG DEALER WORKING FOR A LARGER RING IN CRAGSMOOR WHERE HE LIVED, OFTEN PUSHING DRUGS ON THE YOUNGER CROWDS AT THE LOCAL HANGOUT SPOTS LIKE CATHALIA.

      SEVERAL OTHER DRUG RELATED MURDERS WERE COMMITTED IN CRAGSMOOR DURING THOSE SAME YEARS INTO 90′S, INCLUDING ONE INVOLVING ANOTHER PERSON NAMED WALTER DIAZ. COULD THIS PERSON BE RELATED TO KELLY DIAZ? ODDLY, THESE TWO WERE CONVICTED OF THOSE MURDERS ON THE 9TH ANNIVERSARY OF JOE’S DISAPPEARANCE TO THE DAY!

      COULD LAFORGE HAVE BEEN ORDERED BY HIS KINGPIN BOSS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE JOE WENT MISSING ON THE MOUNTAIN, WHEN THE KINGPIN HAD ACTUALLY ALREADY DONE AWAY WITH HIM SOMEWHERE ELSE? MAYBE JOE WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY SOMEONE ELSE IN THE DRUG RING AND THESE BOYS JUST SERVED AS A DECOY. THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH CONSIDERABLE CRIMINAL EXPERIENCE AND PLANNING. MAYBE MARKS AND DIAZ WERE OFFERED A NICE SCORE OF COCAINE TO HELP OUT AND THEN KEEP QUIET. IT SEEMS THAT WADE’S FATHER SMELLED SOMETHING FOUL AND THEN MOVED HIS SON FAR AWAY FROM THERE, POSSIBLY BECAUSE HE FEARED THAT HIS SON WOULD BE TARGETED BY THE DRUG RING, NOT THE POLICE!

      AND THEN THERE IS THE MYSTERIOUS FACT THAT JOHN LAFORGE’S FATHER IS A LOCAL JUDGE IN THAT SAME TOWN.

      SO MAYBE THE JUDGE WAS A COKE ADDICT TOO AND GOT FREEBIES TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT TOO…WHICH IS HOW THAT DRUG RING MANAGED TO GET SO POWERFUL IN SUCH A BENIGN LITTLE TOWN.

      Fred Says:
      August 25, 2011 at 9:03 am

      Wanna know another reason why there was probably a cover-up? It’s a very simple reason: MONEY.
      What? How could Joe’s disappearance have anything to do with money?

      Because as far back as the early 1970′s the Ice Caves Mountain national landmark was already a tourist attraction and producing approximately $7000 – $8000 per year in dividends to the Town of Ellenville. Ice Caves Mountain Inc. was the tourism management body owned and operated by Fred Grau until 1996. However, the land itself was leased from the town and Ellenville was gleaning about 10% of the tourism profits from the gift shop and the entrance fees. This 10% dividend grew over the years as the influx of tourism increased and the spot gained in popularity. So by 1987 when Joe Helt disappeared, the town was making a significant little chunk from its stake in Ice Caves Mtn. This doesn’t even include the business Ellenville would have picked up from tourists stopping to dine and lodge there.

      In Sept 1972 someone fell into a crevasse at Ice Caves and got badly hurt. There was even an ensuing court case concerning liabilities and several defendants. I couldn’t find any information that would suggest a cover-up in that case. It was just a simple liability issue regarding a guy who crashed his motorcycle while trying to reach the victim.

      But what about in 1987 when Joe disappeared? It would be 9 more years before Fred Grau’s lease was transferred to the Nature Conservancy and the Open Space Institute. Incidentally, Fred Grau lives in Walker Valley. not Ellenville. Until 1996 Ellenville was gleaning a profit from Ice Caves in one way or another. And then there is talk of murder and disappearance and teenage drug parties nearby. Uh-ohhh. Not good for business.

      So do you see why the local authorities and politicians might have reason to brush the whole thing under the carpet? It could have nothing to do with Joe at all and simply be their own interests which caused them to keep it all hush. As I wrote in a previous post, the DEC also may have had their own reasons. It simply doesn’t mean these agencies were working together. Human greed and selfish negligence is everywhere, folks…especially in high places

      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 26, 2011 at 12:04 am

      @There is no way that Joe took a shortcut to Rt52 and made it there before daylight, believe me. If he made it to Rt52 he went straight through Cragsmoor. And in that case, why not JUST knock on a door and call his mom or his aunt or his sister or another friend? Duh?

      My father made a great suggestion one day. What if Joe was killed as a trespasser. What if he stumbled through someone’s yard or porch, maybe with the others, and was shot? And then some homeowner himself took care of Joe’s remains instead of dealing with the police. I thought this was the unique-est theory so far in a long time! Thumbs up to my dad! 🙂

      Building on my father’s story, maybe LaForge knew of a stash of money or drugs, or just felt like committing a robbery or maybe they were all just seriously trespassing and some homeowner…or drug dealer caught by surprise in the middle of receiving or delivering a shipment in the wee hours…shot at them and Joe was hit and killed. Then the others tried to cover it up so it wouldn’t be known that they were up to something illegal. Maybe they left Joe’s body behind where it lay and the homeowner/drug dealer disposed of it! That would explain why it appears that Joe wasn’t really with them at Lake Maratanza at all. They just went up there to cover for something that happened in or near Cragsmoor in the short time that elapsed since they left the party. They didn’t want anyone to know about it because it implicated them in a robbery or a drug deal. That would make them real cowards after all these years just letting Joe become a disposable person like that. But you should realize that they may have not just been scared of the police at that point. Maybe they thought they would be targeted next by whoever killed Joe. So maybe they weren’t just protecting their precious reputations.

      I get the impression that the three may not have done something to Joe, but were present when something was done to Joe, and going to the police would have implicated them so they conjured up the story. Someone has got to find a way to make at least one of those guys talk. Otherwise there will always just be a multitude of theories that temporarily fill in the blanks. Only by actually testing the theories, finding Joe, or confronting those guys is anything ever going to come of this.

      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 30, 2011 at 11:24 am

      John LaForge is such a critical element in this, and yet should remain visible yet untouchable for the time being…just the way he is. I doubt anything short of the worst unconstitutional torture would get him to talk, especially if he knows that he’d likely be fertilizer shortly after leaking any pertinent info. The others (Wade and Kelly) may not be anything more than witnesses who are somewhat implicated as accomplices because they were along for the ride and know all or most of what happened. Also the fact that they might have played a role in luring Joe in is important. That’s where they are likely guilty, and where they too could become fish-food if they talked. Never the less, they might not get more than 5 years, maybe less or nothing if they did talk. So what are they afraid of? It seems they are afraid of something…and so was Wade’s father when he moved him to TN. I don’t think it was the law he was worried about.

      I’d be willing to bet that if Wade or Kelly talked, John LaForge would start to visibly sweat. I think LaForge knows where Joe’s body intially went and maybe disposed of it himself. The others may not know the specifics of this information, but still know the real story and also played small roles in it. But if John LaForge is implicated in the role of dispoing of Joe’s remains and something comes out about it…like a grave, some clothing…or bones, then if he did not kill Joe and he is in police custody being questioned…he may have to choose between being charged with the murder or ratting out the local drug kingpin who DID do it. Then the sweating will turn into spasms and facial tics.

      I think every effort should be made to harass and implicate Wade and Kelly until they crack and rat out LaForge who subsequently rats out on his boss. And then I think we will solve this murder.

      Punky Brewster Says:
      August 30, 2011 at 11:38 am

      So:

      Wade & Kelly, sentenced to 1 – 5 years as accomplices in criminal mischief. Out in 2 for good behavior. LaForge 10 – 20 as an accomplice to a murder (depending how he wants to cooperate), out in 13. By then the original killer is in prison for life (at least), and since John LarForge is informed if this fact as part of his plea-bargain, he finally decides to come clean…thinking he at least won’t end up face down in a stream somewhere.

      If this sequence happens in the next 4 years, John would be appriximately 60 or so when he gets out and at least be safe from being executed by his former boss. This boss probably has at least 10 years on him and by this time the boss would be 70ish.

      Nebula Says:
      October 16, 2011 at 8:39 pm

      I was up there intoxicated during all times of year over many years, my friend. I was young and crazy once (like Joe) and I’ve been going up there since 1985 (actually since the 70′s if you include the times I was with my parents). I never knew of anyone getting in any serious trouble up there except Joe. He didn’t just simply die or get seriously hurt. He disappeared. He is GONE, period. And in almost a quarter-century not one human being has found the slightest trace of him. Do you know how many bodies have been found dumped between the Shawangunk and Catskill Mountain ranges, though? It’s a very popular area for such disposals.

      Are you disreagrding what all these people who really knew Joe have said about him and the others that night? They will verifiy that the three who were with him were very involved in drugs including dealing (and still are). At least one of those boys had a confirmed violent or sinister nature. And these people all went to school together. They know generally what was going on, even if they can’t overtly prove the details. I lived right over the mountain from Joe and all these people. The news from Ellenville was also news in Walker Valley where I lived. And the stories of police corruption in Ellenville were widespread. We shared that mountain with the Ellenville crowd and did the same things they did. When we got busted or harassed, it was the Ellenville police we dealt with. Police corruption wasn’t just something people made up to put a dramatic edge on the disappearance of Joe Helt. It was enough that the partygoers from both sides of the mountain really had viable stories to compare.

      A severely intoxicated hypothermic boy who was incoherent to the point that he couldn’t find his way wouldn’t get very far up there. That’s the point. It gets so thick so quick you’d barely be able to move and you’d get very tired quickly. You’d lie down to rest and likely fall asleep and possibly die. They’d find his frozen husk hunkered down somewhere or spreadeagled under the ledge he fell from or where he forze to death. People hike all over this place. They bushwhack and explore. They bring their dogs with them. His bones would be all around and so would shards of clothing, a shoe maybe. But there was NOTHING. How many times have YOU been up there, NH? How well do you really know that place? I can honestly say that I do. And all these years I have thought to myself, “Where and how far could Joe possibly have gone??”

      Nebula Says:
      October 18, 2011 at 10:07 am

      Apparently most of the kids (witnesses) who knew those guys from school seem to indicate that those three are drug dealers – then AND now. Ellenville is not a big town, and Cragsmoor is nothing but a little hole in the side of the mountain. Information doesn’t have far to travel up there to get around. It’s not a large grapevine.

      Even though the parties they were going to were usually just for drinking and sometimes marijuana, people who did heavier drugs would leave the larger parties at places like Mt Cathalia and go to “secret places” or someone’s backyard, garage or basement nearby. Since these guys left the party in that fashion, it just lends to the notion that they they could be involved. Then there’s the case of the older one, John LaForge who was about 3 or 4 years older than most of the other kids he hung out with. Another reason to think he could be a pusher. The three guys have had inconsistencies in their stories and one of them was promptly relocated far away by his father just weeks after Joe disappeared. He lives in VT now and recently an attorney from VT was poking around in Cragsmoor asking questions. What more does anyone have to see or hear to believe that there is definately something fishy about everything?

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      AND THE PERSON CALLED “LB” (LB WOODS), INTRODUCES THE “HOMOSEXUAL” ANGLE:

      LB Says:
      January 26, 2012 at 9:06 pm

      When I read of “being toasted” I automatically thought of JP. I figured he was the oldest at the time, maybe held a job, so he would be able to afford it. That would leave Kelly to be the one to let go of his “inhibitions”. That could mean many things. With the reference to Joe being “straight” more than once …. could the inhibitions be of the sexual nature ? Did Kelly put the moves on Wade, while Wade was drunk or high ? While they were both drunk or high ? If JP was the one who was toasted all the time is it possible that he was so toasted that night that he couldn’t drive ? That would explain why Joe supposedly drove his car that night. Could JP have been so wasted that night that he doesn’t remember what happened ? He wakes up the next morning and his car is not in the drive way. Didn’t he get a call from one of the other two stating that Joe was missing long before he was actually reported missing ? He could have been fed a story and told where to find his car. That leaves Kelly and Wade ……

      Fred Says:
      January 27, 2012 at 11:13 am

      Can you be more specific with this “gay” angle, Sue? Admittedly it’s not something we’ve explored much here. But we all know that it’s a sensitive area sometimes…and sometimes one which could provoke violence. I think I got you on that much, but who exactly are we talking about here and how? Before you said that Wade may have put the moves on Kelly. So why would Joe be killed then? You mean because he saw something he shouldn’t have? You think Joe saw Kelly and Wade making out or something, and Kelly flipped out? And then Wade’s father hid the evidence for Kelly so Kelly wouldn’t talk about Wade? That way they would each know each other’s little secret…except Kelly would have much more to lose. You think maybe Wade is about to come out of the closet with everything?

      And how does JP fit into the picture? Is JP a little bit “funny” himself too? What would he and “straight” Joe be doing with a couple of budding homosexuals that night? If these guys got high together regularly, wouldn’t the one who “loses his inhibitions” be already understood by the others? Why would JP help the others maintain this story for so many years when he would have nothing to lose by just telling us all what happened? JP and his car have been central to the story. So again I ask: How does JP fit in with the theory that Wade and Kelly had a sexual relationship which Joe accidentally discovered? I ask this assuming that I understand where you’re going with this.

      I hope maybe you can put the finishing touches on this theory of yours and stitch it into a larger picture. Is the “gay” angle you’ve introduced just something you brought up because no one else did, or do you know something about the boys that most people don’t? If you offer a deeper account regarding the sexual preferences of the boys, please talk about it so we can be on the same page with you in your theory.
      LB Says:
      January 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm

      My take on it is this …. Wade was the weak one, especially when under the influence and it was Kelly (the tough guy ?) who put the moves on him. Fred, here’s where I agree with your theory, Joe happens to catch them in the act, maybe in JP’s car. That doesn’t mean JP was there in the car or even knew. JP and Joe could have been in the lodge while Kelly and Wade went out to the car to get more beer or weed. What’s taking them so long ? Hey Joe, why don’t you go see where the heck they are. Joe goes out, sees the windows of the car all steamed over, figures they’re smoking, opens the door and …. well …. gets an eye full. They, especially Kelly, try to convince him that he didn’t see what he thinks he saw. Joe’s not stupid. Hence the argument. They’re trying to make sure he keeps his mouth shut.

      JP maintains the story all these years because it’s all he knows. He was toasted. He may not have any recollection of what happened that night other than what he’s been told.

      Would a 17 year old kid really be a threat to a biker gang ? Even if it was a bunch of wannabes. Regardless, Wade’s Dad can’t let the word on the street be that his son is a homosexual. Kelly can’t let that happen either, no way is he going to be labeled a homosexual, after all he’s a tough guy. So, who killed Joe ? Wade, his Dad or Kelly ? All three ? Wade and Kelly can’t come forward without coming out.
      Fred Says:
      January 27, 2012 at 10:55 pm

      Wowww. Heavy duty, LB. We haven’t explored this idea at all but it could make a whole lot of sense. It’s only one of about 2 or 3 theories that really does make sense…especially when you throw in details like JP possibly not knowing certain details because he stepped out for a moment…which just makes everything more mysterious and complex. Honestly, LB, I think your theory of young homosexuals getting cuaght in the act is every bit as valid as what I’m saying here. You really pieced it together very well into a working model, and not too many people here develop their theories in such a practical and articulate way. I’m impressed. Hey, btw…didn’t they recently legalize gay marriage in Vermont or something? 😉

      As for Joe being a threat to a wannabe bike gang? Well, let’s not call it a bike gang…let’s call it several friends who ride Harleys occasioanally and who drive a car down to the Big Apple once a month to pick up at least $50,000 worth of drugs to sell back up north. Let’s assume that perhaps Wade’s father was part of a partnership of several guys who pooled their resources to run a small drug ring in the area. So when the other partners start worrying that Joe might start talking about them without having any liability himself, and that Wade’s father’s branch of the business may be in danger of being talked about around town, the violent one with the loose trigger finger asks them to bring Joe to Wade’s dad’s house so they can all have a little talk…except what everyone doesn’t know is that he’s there to kill Joe…and does after telling the other boys to leave…which is why they don’t know anything. Then he convinces Wade’s father that Joe body needs to be disposed of right there on the property and threatens to pin it on him or worse if he doesn’t comply. And eventually, thinking himself to be deep poop, Wade’s father sends his son away from it all. Now it certainly seems that someone would be overreacting by killing poor Joe, but there’s plenty of badass, paranoid people out there who when motivated by money and a fear of going to prison are going to eliminate others out of fear. People have been killed over crazier or more trivial things.

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      So as you can see Rachel, many, many people have expressed some very intense thoughts and beliefs about Joe and about the three. These things that Kelly claims I wrote were written by others. Yes, I did share my direct thoughts on this case, but there are many who have done so and many with more intense theories. I am sorry my thoughts and beliefs about this case have upset you or upset Kelly. That was never my intention. My intention was to raise awareness for Joe and to get the conversation going . When people start talking, information comes forward. And it has come forward. Finding Joe, finding out what happened to him, that’s what this is all about and if I said anything or if someone else said something on the group that upset you or upset Kelly then I’m sorry. And I hope that you and Kelly can both understand and appreciate that the behavior of people speaking on Kelly’s behalf upset many people and they only added fuel to the fire. There were behaviors that stoked the fire. I do hope to hear an apology for all of the nasty pictures,sexual comments, mudslinging, etc. I’ve apologized and that you and Kelly will too.

      Now you have an open conversation going with Beth and you are a part of the searches going on. THAT is all anyone wanted in the first place. So keep going forward and stop going backward. Put positive energy into the good things going and stop worrying about what happened. The past can’t be changed, but the future has yet to be written.

      • Rachel says:

        I had nothing to do with those pages. Those are Kelly’s pages. I don’t get involved in that. He wants to defend his name and that is what he is doing when he writes them. I said many times already i don’t agree with everything that comes out of his mouth and have disagreed many times online with him. I stick up for whats right and i argue what i think is wrong. Do i think all those pics and everything is necessary, No i don’t. Have a chuckled at few. Yeah i have.I am sorry If you felt offended by them. Because you were the most vocal one, because you were always front and center of things written, because you were the leader of the group, that is why it looks like anything that was said ever, appears to be said by you. On the justice for joe site, all those posts were written by you. That is why Kelly feels the way he does about you. When you said that is all anyone wanted from the start, like i said, all you had to do was ask.

  10. Truth says:

    Gina’s Incriminating Links & Stories

    Here are a bunch of links to sites where Gina had told her story(which she knows nothing about). Well I am here to correct them and to let everyone know and see what she is doing is totally wrong. She started all these stories without even talking or letting anyone of us know about this. There are plenty more sites out there that are just like the ones below, to many to list. This really need to come to an end and the truth be told !!!! Enough is enough, Gina. Well all know it is you posting under all those names and creating all these stories. You are the only one who is obsessed with Joe and knows everything about what happen that night, cause you was there, right!?!? NOT. You are the one who started all these stories and comments. The jig is up !!!

    http://standasoneus.weebly.com/joseph-helts-story.html

    http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-723825

    http://www.defrostingcoldcases.com/guest-post-justice-for-joe-by-silvia-pettem/#comments

    http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/08/10/new-claim-25-years-after-teens-mysterious-disappearance

    https://stillunsolved.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/unsolved-case-joseph-david-helt-ellenville-ny/

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-159383.html

    http://fromwhisperstor.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=32520&sid=02699bf219c25db97a00dee3ab87c5c0

    http://gonemissinginny.com/2012/07/17/doing-the-right-thing-the-joe-helt-story/

    http://www.cherigriffiths.com/?p=225

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/24/nyregion/a-villages-tensions-over-a-man-missing-for-24-years.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    http://crimeseekers.net/forums/showthread.php?9442-JOSEPH-HELT-missing-for-24-years

    http://www.lindacrystal.com/tag/joseph-helt/

    http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/justice-for-joseph-helt.html

    http://coldnomore.wordpress.com/category/joe-helt/

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/02/seen-at-11-finally-a-break-in-a-quarter-century-old-upstate-n-y-cold-case/

    http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2011/08/joe-helt-case-new-developments.html

    http://www.youtube.com/user/gameschust

    http://www.shawangunkjournal.com/2011/01/13/news/1101130.html

    http://twitter.com/#!/JusticeForJoeH (Recently Shut Down)

    http://forjoehelt.webs.com/ (Recently Shut Down)

    http://cmm.lefora.com/2011/08/26/what-really-happened-to-17-year-old-joseph-helt-mi/

    http://www.examiner.com/article/joseph-helt-missing-from-new-york-since-1987

    http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1641975849/m/69119372011

    http://managementresources.wordpress.com/category/cold-cases/

    http://newyorkstatemissingpersons.ning.com/photo/joseph-david-helt-ellenville?xg_source=activity

    • gschust says:

      Kelly,
      This is great! Thank you for posting all of the links. Now people can get all of the information together in one spot. News segments, news videos, news articles, the website for the private investigator working on Joe’s case, other blog posts. All including interviews and quotes from many different people. Including research done by JOURNALISTS. Including taped interviews of NEWS ANCHORS who created the videos. Including several videos made for and approved by Joe’s family. Including several blogs where the same information that the family put together was posted. Great! Thanks for posting all of this Kelly….all links that people can find on the “In Support of Joe Helt” group, the group run by Joe’s family. This is awesome!

  11. Truth says:

    Explain this, Gina. You keep lying and lying and keep getting caught and not owning up to it.
    Here you say and I quote you…

    Gina says: “And as to Shari Schwartz’s statement. SHE CONTACTED ME ON MAY 29TH VIA EMAIL ASKING IF SHE COULD TALK TO ME ABOUT SOMETHING REGARDING JOE’S DISAPPEARANCE. (Want to see the email???) AND PRIOR TO THIS I WAS NEVER FRIENDS WITH HER. SHE WAS A GIRL WHO ALSO WENT TO ELLENVILLE HS, BUT I NEVER SPOKE TO HER OR HUNG OUT WITH HER. She gave me her phone number, I talked to her and put her in touch with the PI working with Joe’s family, who IMMEDIATELY, THAT SAME AFTERNOON, put her in touch with the SP investigator in charge of Joe’s case”

    But here you say and I quote you again..

    Gina says: “We do know her, she is someone we went to school with since elementary school. She is very credible. She was a friend of Joe’s. She reported this incident immediately after it happened in 1987 to school officials and she was told that she did the right thing and that her statement would be given to law enforcement. She was 17 years old at the time and had faith that her school administration was going to do what they said they’d do. All these years she thought that her information was in Joe’s file. When we posted on the FB page for Joe several months ago asking for anyone with information, even if they reported it back then, to contact us, she immediately reached out and that same day she spoke to the investigators on Joe’s case. She gave a formal, signed statement 3 weeks later”

    Here is the link to here comment >> http://coldnomore.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/woman-claims-to-know-what-caused-joe-helts-1987-disapparance-from-mountain-near-ellenville-new-york-cbs-new-york/#comment-1007

    You want to take your foot out your mouth now..lol You just keep lying and lying. What is wrong with you?. See I show proof about what you are doing. You just keep making up excuse after excuse. This is about Joe, not about your deceitful ways of slandering and accusing me of Joe’s disappearance. Yet you never even apologize to me, all your friends do for you. What a shame.

    • JennMadera09091990 says:

      Hey Kelly Diaz, I don’t like the way your treating Gina online. I feel like your bullying her when she probably went thru more than enough. I am a 23-year-old woman from Pennsylvania & I know you had something to do with it. I don’t even need the proof, I don’t need a polygraph test, I don’t need a police report, all I need to see is people’s reactions & my intuition, I do trust my intuition, & I know you had something to do with this. It may have not been your idea at all, I do believe you were a follower in Joe’s disappearance, I do not believe you were the leader, but just because you were the follower does not mean you had nothing to do with this case. I do see you getting in trouble, & this case is gonna blow open surprisingly that I won’t even know when it does. This secret will not be hidden for much longer I can tell you that right now “Truth”.

  12. Truth says:

    Gina says: AND PRIOR TO THIS I WAS NEVER FRIENDS WITH HER. SHE WAS A GIRL WHO ALSO WENT TO ELLENVILLE HS, BUT I NEVER SPOKE TO HER OR HUNG OUT WITH HER

    Gina says: “We do know her, she is someone we went to school with since elementary school. She is very credible”

    If you never spoke to her or hung out with her, then how would you know she is very credible!?!lol
    You lye more than a dog..lol Which one is it, love to hear this excuse..

    • gschust says:

      Boy Kelly, you are really reaching here. The second statement says that WE do know her, that WE went to school with her and that she is credible. And the first statement says that she is someone I went to school with but I wasn’t friends with her. How exactly do they clash???? JACKIE was friends with her and knew her from a young age. And while I wasn’t friend with her, I I never hung out with her, but I knew of her. I knew who she was and I knew that she was someone of good character and substance. She was friends with several of my friends and I saw her all around school for years. You get to know that much about people in a small school that WE all went to (you included). Knowing someone, going to school with someone doesn’t constitute friendship Kelly. And much like Shari, I knew Joe, went to school with Joe, I interacted with Joe, but I wasn’t friends with him and I didn’t hang out with him. Seeing people day in and day out from K-12 grade gives you the opportunity to see who people really are.

      Neither statement contradicts the other. What the HELL are you talking about and what planet are you on right now?? You keep stretching and reaching, diverting attention from the conversation at hand. THIS IS ABOUT JOE.

  13. Truth says:

    Gina says: Stop focusing on me and start focusing on YOU. Tell your story, about that night. Keep ME, keep SHARI out of it.

    Kelly says: Easy for you to say, but look above at all the stories(links) you started and many more where they come from, Gina. So I’m sorry if you feel that anything written out there is an attack on you. I’m sorry if you feel offended. You should have kept your mouth and fingers out of it as well. Getting a taste of your own medicine now

    • gschust says:

      Kelly, if you continue to slander me, continue to cyber stalk me and continue to talk about me like you have, I will continue to report you. End of story. Why are you so obsessed with me anyway? It’s really quite bazaar. OBSESSED MUCH?!?

  14. Rachel says:

    Gina, Im done I stopped reading after you decided that you are going to sit there and lie and say you didn’t contact my friend and that you never talked about me. Your a liar and im not going to sit back and watch you continue to be a little victim who has done no wrong. I gave you the opportunity to say the truth about things and apologize for some of the bullshit you wrote and you refuse to own it. It was so hard for you to do that and your still going to try and play me for a fool???I will continue to do what im doing, and speak to the people that matter. I assure you that no You have made it very clear with your lies and fables, that you are not one of them. Take care.

    • gschust says:

      It amazes me that you continue, just like Kelly, to live in a little fantasy world. And even after an apology IS given to you two, even after a hand is extended to you two and even after an olive branch is extended to you two, you still continue to spew. You wanted an apology? I gave you one.

      Here’s the quote from my previous statement: “if I said anything or if someone else said something on the group that upset you or upset Kelly then I’m sorry.”

      Sounds like an apology to me. Why\ does Kelly still feel the need to keep acting like this?? His behavior is why people all over the Ellenville community think you had something to do with Joe’s disappearance. Then again, I’d be scared too if a witness gave a truthful statement to investigators.

      • Rachel says:

        I said i was done. I am. I have been done for a while. I was simply letting you know how i feel. Im not going to continue to argue with you Gina. I want to get back to the mission at hand. Find out what happened to Joe and that’s it. There you go again with you witness gave a statement and to be scared. If the police thought Kelly was guilty of something, they would be at my house. He has proven to them otherwise. Gina, a lot of people all over the world now think you are crazy and that your a liar. So what if they think something of Kelly, they think things about you too. What does it matter?? It doesn’t GIna. People are going to think what they want no matter what. It does not matter what people in this small town think of either of you. There backyards are just as filth as anyone else. Everyone fighting isn’t helping finding Joe. We all are a victim of something in our lives… We all have something in our past, abuse(physically,mentally,sexually) Finacial problems, health problems, family problems. I assure you that you aren’t the only one going through these issues. I promise you that. My point in saying that is this… Gina, it is horrible that you have such conditions, I truly do feel bad for for that.I too am a victim of domestic violence however when it happened to me, I knocked him the fuck out. Not everyone can do that. My Father was an abusive heroin addict, he tried to beat me…I fought him back too. So when you say that you had an abusive dad and partner, I assure you that i 100% understand that Gina.

        Now let me say this…Maybe you really have not read our comments fully. We have both stated that You started off by doing a great thing for Joe and his family. We thought it was great that you got the story out and got Joe’s case exposure. It was a a great thing you did and we did give you alot of credit for that.However Gina, Like Moncho stated, It stopped becoming Less and Less about support of Joe and more and more of you accusing and finger pointing. That is the whole basis of the argument here. All you had to do was come to Kelly and ask him to join your cause and all the searching and helping on his part would have started along time ago. He was up there on the mountain with the police last year. This past month as you say isn’t the first time he has tried to help. That is neither here nor there. I stepped in to bring both sides together and work in the same direction towards the same mission. That is what matters here. All the rest in trivial bullshit. SO it is what it is. You cant change history, You can only write the next chapter.

  15. Truth says:

    Hey Gina, can you die from constipation? I’m a little concerned with how full of shit you are. Don’t flatter yourself either, I would never ever stalk you. You are not my type, nor turn me on. Obsessed is you and everyone can see that by all the lies, links and stories you have started, that is called Obsession, droopy draws.lol What I am doing is called “defending”, don’t get them twisted.

    Let me ask you, if you was so concerned about Joe, where the hell have you been since 1987 when he went missing? You never spoke up or showed any concern back then in the 80’s or 90’s all the way up till 2010. You never showed any concern that whole time, 23yrs. Where the hell were you all that time, where was your concern all that time if you was that worried about Joe?

    You can put my past up, you won’t be able to call me a felon, like someone we know.lol

    • gschust says:

      It amazes me that even after an apology IS given to you, even after a hand is extended to you and even after an olive branch is extended to you, you still continue to spew like always. You wanted an apology? I gave you one.

      Here’s the quote from my previous statement: “if I said anything or if someone else said something on the group that upset you or upset Kelly then I’m sorry.”

      Sounds like an apology to me. Why did you still feel the need to keep acting like a fool?? Your behavior is why people all over the Ellenville community think you had something to do with Joe’s disappearance.

      Where were you for 23 years Kelly? You were his friend and did nothing for him. It’s great you’re a part of the searches now, in the last month or so, but where were you for 23 years? You weren’t out there talking to the media, trying to get his story out there, you weren’t posting fliers and you weren’t taking advantage of the internet and social media. Where was I? Well let see…living through hell with an abusive father who raped and beat me, and then living through helll with an abusive and controlling marriage that left me in a wheelchair. And why are you so upset at me for being the first one to ever bring Joe’s story out in the news anyway? I helped your friend and his family.You weren’t out there posting fliers, calling the media, taking advantage of social media and internet to get his story out there. I did that. And I wasn’t even his friend. I was just someone he went to school with, someone he showed a lot of kindness to when I needed it most. For THAT I fought for Joe and will continue to share his story. Joe deserves peace and justice. It amazes me how even after an apology is given to you, you just keep going. That’s just really sad to me. I feel very sorry for you.

  16. Truth says:

    Diane Westerback,

    I do have to apologize. Initially I had some suspicion about Kelly – not knowing him and only having heard the Negative “fact” that were purported.
    I am happy to do anything to retract any of these comments. I was also
    in the early stages of learning about the case. Although I did qualify
    this statement.

    I take full responsibility for any of my comments but please understand
    that they were only mine, and they were made before I knew Heidi was
    working on this and before I met Marilyn. I am truly sorry for not
    mistrusting Gina much sooner when I did know how many facts were wrong
    about John. I did want to say something sooner to Kelly but things were
    so emotional with the initial meeting and I did not know how to bring it up
    and didn’t have a private opportunity but I should have tried harder.

    My intention on Charley was to try to sway the theories away from John and gather what facts there were. Of course i did think that i was anonymous.
    but i did try to be objective and i did say that I did not know Kelly –
    but I know that doesn’t mean much given all the craziness. Gina had
    already tried to infiltrate the cragsmoor association website and a friend
    told me that that some craze theories were being proposed which sent me initially looking for the blogs. I mistakenly assumed that there would
    be some way to reason with the “lynch mob”

    Around Jan when I joined the search and rescue group, as they were the only
    ones doing anything worthwhile I stopped writing and decided the only
    solution was to find Joe. I do admire your efforts in effectively swaying
    the crowd.

    I do think that the guys have a strong liable case. With he best result
    being quieting Gina and potentially getting $ from Nancy Grace who had a headline “the three who killed joe Helt”. Her radio shows are outrageous
    if you listen to them. I also have been harassed privately by Gina. I
    also don’t know how Gina got my info, maybe it not that hard.

    I hope that you will consider some form of forgiveness and that we can talk
    this through and work together.

    Look I will step out if so that you can continue to work with Heidi and
    Marilyn.

    I would suggest that you read the full comments in context on Charley. I
    was trying to pin down who they were alluding to not saying that I agreed.

    I also don’t think that we should let Gina be so divisive. But I will step away.

    Diane Westerback
    dwesterback@gmail.com

    Debbie Margelony Pipkins,

    Thanks for answering my questions! Im sorry if I ever said anything about Kelly…on Joes page..I don’t think I ever used any names.. Im SO pissed that Gina lied to everyone!! What does she have to gain from it?! I hope they didn’t Get a bunch of donations.. And having his old classmate make up that story..wow!! Didn’t she go to the police with that?? Im all the way in Cali..and i’m And im passionate when it comes to the missing…she made me and everyone else on that page look like fools!!..not only on that page..I have read stuff all over the net..the only reason I don’t unlike that page is because of Joe! Please apologize to Kelly for me..i’m so sorry that him and his family had Been put through this..do u know if the other guy..the one who moved out of state right after Joe went missing..if he took a polygraph test and past too?? I’m just shocked by sll these lies!! And u said after all the lies that they have spread ..they haven’t even went out and searched?! Wow!! The other two ladies on the page must have known that Gina was lying Also..anyway I wish you and Kelly the best!! Thanks for the add to your page..maybe now I can get REAL updates on Joes case.

    • gschust says:

      Diane emailed me, started initial email to MY email address. That is how I knew who she was. One day she mistakenly left her name “Diane Westerback” in the “to/from” line instead of “nameless hiker.” That is how I knew who she was.

      You live in such a warped reality Kelly. Again, I pity you. Want to know about any donations? Talk to Beth and Jackie. THEY set that up and THEY handle it exclusively. Ask them, they’re all too happy to show you the bank records.

      Oh, and Nancy Grace posted a story on Joe’s case on her own.

      • Truth says:

        Diane Westerback

        I never did e-mail her — what would be the point. She hacked me (even
        though my IT experts said that that was not possible) and got to my
        personal address from NH. Robert Rahn the “investigator” is apparently and expert in IT surveillance (who provides protection to the rich and famous)
        so he could be behind that and I think that he may be responsible some
        of characters on Charley. I have found no evidence that Robert has ever
        found a missing person and I have have found many conflicting credentials
        for him on the web
        Her behavior is all over the place – one second a calm constructive conversation — next rampart accusations. With Gina now I think that the best solution is not to give her anyone to
        argue with and hopefully she will go elsewhere as she thrives on
        the argument As she clearly has serious problems. The three of you may
        be able to stop her through legal channels and potentially get the true
        facts out and potentially become the correct source of information but I
        would work with the police investigators on this. You should be able to
        get Gina to cease and desist and you may be able to get $ from Nancy Grace. I do apologize for not saying more when we me.

        Diane

      • gschust says:

        One of her many, many emails to us (several pages worth):
        From: Diane Westerback
        > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:04 PM
        > Subject: Travels
        >
        >
        > A = Wades house – 5 miles away
        > B = likely truck location
        > C = @ John’s house 4 miles away

  17. gschust says:

    http://www.lindacrystal.com/tag/joe-helt/
    Linda Crystal, Forensic Psychic, on Joe Helt case:

    Where is Joe Helt?
    Posted on September 18, 2012

    Many times cases come across my desk several times before I have an opportunity to sit down and work on them. This is one of those case. I take that as Joe wants to be heard and found. I only work on cases that I am drawn to and this is the case with Joe Helt.

    Who is Joseph Helt?

    Joe was just an average high school teenager at 17, interested in rock music and his friends when he went missing from Ellenville, New York January 16, 1987. Joe and his friends John LaForge, Kelly Diaz and Wade Marks all went up to Mt. Cathalia Ski Lodge in Cragsmoor for a party. John LaForge claims that he saw Joe last at 3:30am walking to Ellenville. However Joe never made it home or to work the next day. His mom reported him missing. Joe has not been seen alive since. It is now 2012, twenty-five years (25) later. Where is Joe? What happened to Joe? My gut instinct is going off on this case and it isn’t good.

    I am going to do two (2) charts for Joe. One chart is the chart of the day so I know what went on that day. This chart reveals who was a danger to Joe and what directions they may have gone in. The second chart that I am doing is Joe’s birth chart that will tell us more about who he was and what was he into. Who was a danger to him and his danger and death zones.

    On the day that Joe disappeared January 16, 1987 the Sun was in Capricorn for North, mountains, cold, higher elevations, school, teachers, work and structures. Frames and earth are accented as Capricorn is a Goat and Earth sign. Capricorn also means fathers, school, government. I believe they play a part in Joe’s disappearance. Mercury is also in Capricorn for a direction of North that day. Then there is Neptune, the planet of deception, confusion, illusion and delusion.

    The Moon is in Leo indicating a high energy level, Leos, fires and a party atmosphere that may have included females. Definitely the night had physical, blood, excitement mixed with much exercise.

    Mars the planet of hot action is occupying Aries for guns, knives, weapons, arguments, head injuries and blood. This is an argument and attack. An Aries may have been involved, as these individuals have a quick temper. There is an attack from the West. A fast vehicle is also indicated that may have red orange or yellow on it.A hot verbal argument and attack occurred. It was quick. Somebody wanted control.

    Jupiter is in Pisces for large secrets, closets, garages, sheds, caves, dumps. This is near water to the west of where The lodge is. I believe articles or evidence was thrown in water. There were drugs and alcohol involved in this disappearance.

    Saturn was in Sagittarius indicating an older man may be involved in moving Joe’s body to government land, church land or reservation land. This land is North by Northeast from the location. Here is where I believe somebody handled school complaints. Was there a teacher there at the party that night? Was a father there? or summoned? There is a surprise twist in this case that changed the direction of the outcome. Futures of the boys were considered and careers of fathers were considered. There are political or power plays going on in this disappearance.

    To make matters worse Pluto was occupying Scorpio, a death zone. This is an indicator of death. Joe was 17 years old and also occupying this phase of life. This to me indicates Joe is deceased. I am sorry but this is from the planets.

    Dangers were from the West and Aries, guns, knives, arguments, attacks. Death zone is and A Scorpio may be involved here, near water. Northeast. Head injuries are indicated.

    The day that Joe disappeared was a 6 day. As many as 6 people know Joe is dead and may be involved. These are all community service based people in the public. I am concerned that public officials either protected the boys that came back and helped avoid prosecution by not collecting evidence and conducting a proper investigation. School officials were notified yet nothing was done. 6 is a number that signifies the letters of F, O and X are people, places and things involved in Joes’ disappearance. Numbers like 24, 42, 51, 15, 33, 6, 60, 66 are around Joe. 6 indicates a vehicle more like a work vehicle is involved in transporting Joe. Joe is earthbound.

    Joe’s Natal or Birth Chart indicates that he was in a death zone in his chart. This coincides with the planet Pluto that day and confirms what I am saying that Joe is deceased. Neptune in Joe’s Natal chart occupies the 8th house of birth and death in Scorpio, indicating deception in death. Delusion, illusion and confusion. The story does not stand as credible. Therefor a new investigation needs to be opened and redone properly, outside the jurisdiction of Ellenville,NY.

    There are at least two females that will help expose and get media coverage for Joe’s case.

    Joe would have been a hard worker and wanted to make money and build things. His chart also indicates danger from a school, classmates and a church. Is there a church near the Ski Lodge? A Sagittarius becomes an enemy as well as classmates.

    A surprise legal case, action, lawyer and huge media will blow the case open. There are huge legal ramifications in this case.

    The car is sensitive in Joe’s chart as being a death zone. This is southeast in Joe’s chart indicating a southeast location taken in a car. where is the car? Was the car checked for evidence? The 4 wheel drive vehicle being stuck in a ditch does not ring true. This is a 4X4. The time that was given of 3:30am is the liar’s number of 3. A Virgo becomes a death threat to Joe in his chart here, as well as a vehicle.

    Lastly Joe was a Cancer. He was psychic. I am a Cancer and I am psychic. Now I am working on his case. He wants to be found.

    New Information recently surfaced that I believe to be true. A female classmate, Sharri Schwartz, overheard a conversation that Joe was pushed off a mountain and that Joe was dead. She has signed a sworn statement to this and also reported this to the school at the time. So why didn’t officials act on this? Even if it they believed this to be a lie they should have still investigated it as Joe was missing.

    I live in a small town. I know how connected the people can be, especially the political figures, the legal figures and the school boards all collaborate. One of the boys’ fathers was a judge. This makes all the sense in the world. Where have we seen this before? Natalie Holloway case and Van der Sloot’s father. This could hurt the career of the father and put the son in jail. This would not look good. Someone manipulated the system and Joe is dead. The truth hurts but will surface. Those that know what happened need to come forward or be considered accessories to murder.

    The truth will come to light. Murder can not be hid for long….Shakespeare.

    Justice For Joe Helt.

    • Truth says:

      A woman goes to the local psychic in hopes of contacting her dearly departed grandmother. The psychic’s eyelids begin fluttering, her voice begins warbling, her hands float up above the table, and she begins moaning. Eventually, a coherent voice emanates, saying, “Granddaughter? Are you there?”
      The customer, wide-eyed and on the edge of her seat, responds, “Grandmother? Is that you?”
      “Yes granddaughter, it’s me.”
      “It’s really, really you, Grandmother?” the woman repeats.
      “Yes, it’s really me, granddaughter.”
      “The woman looks puzzled, “You’re sure it’s you, Grandmother?”
      “Yes, granddaughter, I’m sure it’s me.”
      “The woman pauses a moment, “Grandmother, I have just one question for you.”
      “Anything, my child.”
      “Grandmother, when did you learn to speak English?”

      http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/long-island-medium/1419928

      ROTFLMAO

  18. Truth says:

    Gina says: Jay Greco was in county jail with Kelly at one point and Kelly has had a judgment/lien against him for several thousand dollars owed to criminal defense attorney Jeremiah Flagherty, judgments for unpaid child support and for unpaid taxes.

    DIN (Department Identification Number) 04G0271
    Inmate Name HETCHER, GINA
    Sex FEMALE
    Date of Birth 10/22/1970
    Race / Ethnicity WHITE
    Custody Status RELEASED
    Housing / Releasing Facility BAYVIEW
    Date Received (Original) 03/24/2004
    Date Received (Current) 03/24/2004
    Admission Type
    County of Commitment ULSTER
    Latest Release Date / Type (Released Inmates Only) 12/22/06 PRESUMPTIVE MERIT RELEASE
    Crimes of Conviction
    If all 4 crime fields contain data, there may be additional crimes not shown here. In this case, the crimes shown here are those with the longest sentences.
    As of 10/10/12
    Crime Class
    GRAND LARCENY – NOT AUTO 2ND C
    GRAND LARCENY – NOT AUTO 3RD D

    Sentence Terms and Release Dates
    Under certain circumstances, an inmate may be released prior to serving his or her minimum term and before the earliest release date shown for the inmate.
    As of 10/10/12
    Aggregate Minimum Sentence 0003 Years, 04 Months, 00 Days
    Aggregate Maximum Sentence 0010 Years, 00 Months, 00 Days
    Earliest Release Date
    Earliest Release Type
    Parole Hearing Date 10/2006
    Parole Hearing Type RELEASE CONDITIONS
    Parole Eligibility Date 07/16/2007
    Conditional Release Date 11/16/2010
    Maximum Expiration Date 03/16/2014

    http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040122/NEWS/301229979

  19. gschust says:

    CEASE AND DESIST ORDER

    Gina Schuster
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxx NY 12xxxx

    Kelly Diaz
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx NY 124xx

    November 3, 2012

    RE: Cease and desist from cyber stalking, harassment, defamation of character

    Dear Mr. Diaz:

    This CEASE AND DESIST ORDER is to inform you that your persistent actions including but not limited to cyber stalking, making harassing statements online, creating posts containing my name and personal information, accusing me online of things that are not true, creating websites and blog sites (8 in total so far) with stalking, false and harassing statements about me, creating obnoxious pictures with my name on them, posting pictures and phrases about me, copying and pasting posts and attaching my name to them, copying any comments with my name attached and reposting them, and using my name in anyway shape or form online have become unbearable. You are ORDERED TO STOP such activities immediately as they are being done in violation of the law.

    I have the right to remain free from these activities as they constitute cyber stalking, harassment and defamation of character, and I will pursue any legal remedies available to me against you if these activities continue. These remedies include but are not limited to: contacting law enforcement to obtain criminal sanctions against you, and suing you civilly for damages I have incurred as a result of your actions.

    Again, you must IMMEDIATELY STOP these online activities.

    This letter acts as your final warning to discontinue this unwanted conduct before I pursue legal actions against you. At this time, I am not contacting the authorities or filing civil suit against you, as I hope we can resolve this matter without authoritative involvement. I am not under any circumstances, however, waiving any legal rights I have presently, or future legal remedies against you by sending you this letter. This order acts as ONE FINAL CHANCE for you to cease your illegal activities before I exercise my rights.

    Sincerely,

    Gina Schuster

  20. Kelly Diaz says:

    CEASE AND DESIST ORDER

    Kelly Diaz
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxx NY 12xxxx

    Gina Schuster
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx NY 12xxx

    November 3, 2012

    RE: Cease and desist from cyber stalking, harassment, defamation of character

    Dear Gina Schuster:

    This CEASE AND DESIST ORDER is to inform you that your persistent actions including but not limited to cyber stalking, making harassing statements online, creating posts containing my name and personal information, accusing me online of things that are not true, creating websites and blog sites (8 in total so far) with stalking, false and harassing statements about me, creating obnoxious pictures with my name on them, posting pictures and phrases about me, copying and pasting posts and attaching my name to them, copying any comments with my name attached and reposting them, and using my name in anyway shape or form online have become unbearable. You are ORDERED TO STOP such activities immediately as they are being done in violation of the law.

    I have the right to remain free from these activities as they constitute cyber stalking, harassment and defamation of character, and I will pursue any legal remedies available to me against you if these activities continue. These remedies include but are not limited to: contacting law enforcement to obtain criminal sanctions against you, and suing you civilly for damages I have incurred as a result of your actions.

    Again, you must IMMEDIATELY STOP these online activities.

    This letter acts as your final warning to discontinue this unwanted conduct before I pursue legal actions against you. At this time, I am not contacting the authorities or filing civil suit against you, as I hope we can resolve this matter without authoritative involvement. I am not under any circumstances, however, waiving any legal rights I have presently, or future legal remedies against you by sending you this letter. This order acts as ONE FINAL CHANCE for you to cease your illegal activities before I exercise my rights.

    Sincerely,

    Kelly Diaz

      • JennMadera09091990 says:

        Tell me about it. Kelly Diaz is the one guilty, not Gina. I somehow know this when I wasn’t even born till 1990. But don’t worry, Kelly will get his, just sit back ‘n wait for Karma to come around to him, that is how I see it.

  21. I have something to say about this. I have been looking into this case since I accidentally ran into this back in 2011 when searching something on Google, and I am glad I ran into this case. I wasn’t alive in 1987 (I was born in 1990), and I am from Pennsylvania, but I do have strong intuitions and a lot of things that I do predict is usually right 90% of the time, but the other 10% could be wrong, since nothing is ever 100%. My theory in what happened with Joseph Helt is the three other “friends” of his know what is going on, murdered him over something so dumb, and a government official is involved by covering up the three of his “friends”. And I will tell you right now, this case is going to blow open surprisingly (I don’t know when, I don’t know how, I will be surprised myself when it does blow open), and these three boys will not be able to hold in the dirty secret they hid for over 25 years. And just reading these comments that Kelly Diaz is writing, I know that he has something to do with Joe’s disappearance, just by the way he responded to Gina Schuster. Kelly, the fact you are trying to make Gina look like the crazy one makes me want to have a word with you face to face, and give you a piece of my mind. I do not appreciate the way you are bullying Gina and throwing a rant when she brings up the truth on what happened. Kelly, I know you had something do with Joe’s disappearance, or God forbid, you murdered Joe and somebody who is involved with the government is protecting you by playing with the system. I would suggest, Mr. Diaz, that you give up on your dirty secret, and start talking THE TRUTH, Not the lies you keep throwing!!

  22. caligirl says:

    Close Friend of Joe quoted in news article this week: Doesn’t believe the story given about that night

    http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/article/20140127/NEWS05/301270001/Crime-Beat-Missing-Ulster-teen-Joseph-Helt-still-missing-person

    NEW article this week in the Poughkeepsie Journal. Jackie Mennella, close friend and classmate of Joe Helt is quoted as saying “I do not feel that he disappeared from Sam’s Point like the story goes.”

  23. caligirl says:

    Joe Helt’s sister says that he is buried on Wade Marks’ property:

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/insupportofjoehelt/

    Tracy Helt January 28, 2014
    “As I’m crying n typing at the same time. … I remember that day. ….joes body is buried n billy n wade marks yard under the back balcony. … n I no he’s there. …I WISH SOME ONE WOULD CONFRONT ME ABOUT THAT STATE MENT”

    • letsfindthem says:

      So sad that the cops wont/cant look into this. Joseph Helt’s sister seems adamant that he is buried under Wade’s property. Did she explain further about how she knows this? I hope it’s looked into further and I hope his family and loved ones get closure soon.

  24. JenniferLMH90 says:

    I really wish either the cops would do something or even the three idiots would just speak up instead of being evil demons and trying to keep it a secret when sadly we all know exactly what happened. People really think we have no clue what happened but that isn’t the case. I’m the girlfriend of Joe’s cousin, and I think sometimes my boyfriend is either having a flashback of a memory of Joe and him or just gets mad about it and makes up a reason why he’s mad when I know it’s bothering him, even though he don’t need to tell me because I already know it bothers him. People seriously need to speak up, it’s not a secret anymore, never was,.

    • letsfindthem says:

      Which cousin? I remember you commented a couple times back in 2013 and stated you were from Penn and had no relation to the case? Either way this is a sad case and I hope it gets solved. Joe deserves justice!

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